Cov 41st biggest club in England (3 Viewers)

skybluelee said:

Clearly the formulation of such a table is extremely subjective. I have seen many over the years, we usually show up at around 32nd, 33rd. We will obviously be slowly slipping down from that position year by year as SISU take us deeper into the mire, but 41st doesn't feel right.

I'll say it again, Wigan Athletic are not a bigger club than Coventry. In fact they aren't even close which makes this particular table utter tosh in my eyes. I am also surprised to see Arsenal above Liverpool, which seems to be because they have more Twitter followers from what I can work out.

I would say we're about 35th in terms of achievements since the inception of the football league.

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Based on their income factor we are lower than Wigan, we have been out of the top flight for over 10 years in that time the revenues in the prem league have got daft (and getting worse) so i think this is a matter of 'timing' than anything else but having said that i would class a team on being big based on where they are in the league and what cups they have won. Over the last 10 years Wigan are bigger than us.

Covstu said:

Based on their income factor we are lower than Wigan, we have been out of the top flight for over 10 years in that time the revenues in the prem league have got daft (and getting worse) so i think this is a matter of 'timing' than anything else but having said that i would class a team on being big based on where they are in the league and what cups they have won. Over the last 10 years Wigan are bigger than us.

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The football league was formed in 1888/89, why on earth are you talking about the last 10 years?

skybluelee said:

The football league was formed in 1888/89, why on earth are you talking about the last 10 years?

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In that case the like of PNE, blackpool and bolton should be in the top 20.


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skybluelee said:

The football league was formed in 1888/89, why on earth are you talking about the last 10 years?

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If you look at the scoring its heavily biased on income hence the last 10 years where the bulk of money has appeared in the prem league. We were not at the party at that stage.

Arh this subject again. It's all a matter of perspective. What constitutes a big club? Is it the size of support, the income, the league successes, cup successes, past glories, when formed etc etc?

For me any club which can generate some 30k+ for a match must be considered a big club as opposed to say Wigan.
The size and population area of it's City has to be relevant. For example Leeds a city of some 600,000.

A big club for me is not the one with trophy successes or where they are now (we in league 1) but what are they once they revive the success on the pitch. 34 years in the top flight suggest exactly that. The Wigan's and Blackpool's of this world could not sustain it beyond a year or two.

That's why commentators refer to the 'sleeping giant'. We are no giant, Leeds would be much more that however we are a big club currently in the doldrums. The reason TM recognised when taking the job.

The survey I'd like to see is how many big clubs are not currently enjoying big club success? can you name a few:

LEEDS
COVENTRY
SHEFFIELD WED
SHEFFILED UTD
WOLVES
DERBY
NOTTM. FOREST.

The one last factor that's important for me is basing the theory on relatively modern times. Blackburn may have been a great success in 1898 but rarely seen in the modern era until money and Alan Shearer. hardly a measure of what forms a big club in the modern era say post the war.