Cov Back To Ricoh speaking to Ann Lucas Today (1 Viewer)

Danceswithhorses · Nov 28, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
My point being about exploring the other avenues is that may other people and groups have tried for answers from Sisu and neither of us can tell whether their lying or there is some truth. What is the point in being repetitive?

That I understand, however with the council making cut backs on jobs and what not it is an important question to be asked whether it is to criticize the Council and not selling the Arena or not.

Sounds like you're saying..because SISU palm us off, and tell us lies (mostly), that we should just lay off them, but surely we should be putting more questions and pressure on them to negotiate, and bring the team back to Coventry ?
Seems an odd objective for a small group of ccfc football fans ie to question the council budgetary plans, unless of course they have another agenda ie to pressure CCC into selling the arena, which (maybe) coincidentally, is exactly SISU's plan too.
Like i said before, Let's see them give BOTH sides a hard time, it seems only fair for group which claims to be independent and impartial.

Danceswithhorses · Nov 28, 2013

double post-sorry

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 28, 2013

Danceswithhorses said:
Sounds like you're saying..because SISU palm us off, and tell us lies (mostly), that we should just lay off them, but surely we should be putting more questions and pressure on them to negotiate, and bring the team back to Coventry ?
Seems an odd objective for a small group of ccfc football fans ie to question the council budgetary plans, unless of course they have another agenda ie to pressure CCC into selling the arena, which (maybe) coincidentally, is exactly SISU's plan too.
Like i said before, Let's see them give BOTH sides a hard time, it seems only fair for group which claims to be independent and impartial.

Not at all, but because it doesn't mean we should continue to just solely put pressure on Sisu.

I do agree that both sides should get pressure and lets hope that CBTR continues to be objective.

Nonleagueherewecome · Nov 28, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Not at all, but because it doesn't mean we should continue to just solely put pressure on Sisu.

I do agree that both sides should get pressure and lets hope that CBTR start to be objective.

Fixed for you

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 28, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Fixed for you

Top man thanks!

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skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2013

so what was the outcome?

LastGarrison · Nov 28, 2013

I've never heard of this group. Is this the lot that protested outside the Council House and had their picture in the Telegraph?

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 28, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
so what was the outcome?

They had a discussion and during that discussion things were discussed which they'll discuss after they have finished discussing what part of their discussion can't they discuss with the fans having discussed it with the Councils legal team.

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skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
They had a discussion and during that discussion things were discussed which they'll discuss after they have finished discussing what can't part of their discussion can't they discuss with the fans having discussed it with the Councils legal team.

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cheers for clearing that up Rob

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 28, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
cheers for clearing that up Rob

Happy to help Tony.

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tuousis · Nov 28, 2013

Now they have had a very useful discussion, we can all sleep well in our beds tonight. Knowing that everything has been taken care of.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 28, 2013

AndreasB said:
I didnt know they were still around. To say they are in the pocket of SISU as some sort of 5th columnists though is hysterical fantasy. To be fair to this group, their one protest outside the Council house did seem to stir Ann Lucas into meeting Joy Seppala. Something new was needed - The club wont talk to the trust lets not forget so if you think mediation is the only way out of this, then meeting Ann Lucas can only be positive.

The club wont talk to the trust:thinking about:Is that because the trust wont tow Sisus line?

kdrinkell · Nov 28, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
The club wont talk to the trust:thinking about:Is that because the trust wont tow Sisus line?

God knows but they need to tell someone FFS

letsallsingtogether · Nov 28, 2013

True unlike some?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
The club wont talk to the trust:thinking about:Is that because the trust wont tow Sisus line?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 28, 2013

letsallsingtogether said:
True unlike some?

Haven't got a clue who you're talking about.

Steve.B50 · Nov 28, 2013

AndreasB said:
I didnt know they were still around. To say they are in the pocket of SISU as some sort of 5th columnists though is hysterical fantasy. To be fair to this group, their one protest outside the Council house did seem to stir Ann Lucas into meeting Joy Seppala. Something new was needed - The club wont talk to the trust lets not forget so if you think mediation is the only way out of this, then meeting Ann Lucas can only be positive.

Who said the club are not talking to to the Trust?
We have met with Tim Fisher and other representatives of the club.

Also met and talking to the FL, ACL, Council and other Trusts.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 28, 2013

Steve.B50 said:
Who said the club are not talking to to the Trust?
We have met with Tim Fisher and other representatives of the club.

Is that because you *are* towing SISU's line?

In all seriousness, the quote is a fine reason for the trust to stay neutral and not be a campaign group...

Steve.B50 · Nov 28, 2013

We will and will continue to talk to all parties.

shmmeee · Nov 28, 2013

stupot07 said:
How can it be anti-KCIC? Surely the overarching aims are the same - get cov playing in cov. I wasn't aware KCIC had the caveat as "only as tenants of ACL".

They don't. However GCBTTR do have the caveat of "as long as Sisu own the Ricoh and surrounding development land".

AndreasB said:
I didnt know they were still around. To say they are in the pocket of SISU as some sort of 5th columnists though is hysterical fantasy. To be fair to this group, their one protest outside the Council house did seem to stir Ann Lucas into meeting Joy Seppala. Something new was needed - The club wont talk to the trust lets not forget so if you think mediation is the only way out of this, then meeting Ann Lucas can only be positive.

No. In the hope you simply don't understand the game being played let me spell it out.

Ann Lucas made repeated requests to meet, all ignored.

Joy pulls in several hand picked fans from the hundreds (including the SBT) who asked.

They are fed a story that is simultaneously being fed to Les Reid, who (under rumours of CCFC pressure on the CT) has recently changed his fairly neutral tone with a rather inflammatory article saying Sisu should own the Ricoh.

Les Reid, Nikki Sinclaire and aforementioned hand picked fans form protest group that immediately is given more credence by the CT than the SBT.

Group proceeds to organise well publicised campaign that attracts a grand total of 24 people.

Ann Lucas repeats previously made offer.

Magically this one is the one Joy responds to.

GCBTTR is a success!

This is all verifiable fact. If I could be arsed each of those points could be linked to a thread, press release or article.

It could all be a massive coincidence but IMO the simpler explanation is at the very best the people behind GCBTTR are naive City fans being played, at worst they are complicit.

lewys33 · Nov 29, 2013

To be fair I was sceptical about this group. However I am going to give them the benfit of the doubt, as they have now said ..... "The door is always open to talks including ownership, so we urge SISU to talk!"

Hobo · Nov 29, 2013

It is SISU who need to do the talking....in fact they need to go in and make an offer.

dongonzalos · Nov 29, 2013

Ann Lucas says no more talks are currently planned with Sisu owner Joy Seppala
Coun Ann Lucas
Council leader Ann Lucas has once again said that her door is open to anyone wanting to bring the Sky Blues back to the Ricoh Arena – but it must be the best deal for the city as a whole.

The stance was reiterated as Coun Lucas met with leaders from campaign group Get Cov Back To The Ricoh yesterday to discuss their petition calling on the city council and ACL to ensure the Sky Blues come back home.

The council leader also revealed that no more talks are currently planned with Sisu owner Joy Seppala.

Coun Lucas said: “We will talk to anyone who believes they have a way forward and will potentially do business with anyone who has evidentially based ideas and due diligence.

"My door is always open – but any deal that is done has to be to the benefit of the people and taxpayers of Coventry.

“If Coventry City want to come back then they are welcome.

“We are not keeping them away from the Ricoh Arena, but we have no control over the decision that the club make.

“But any deal cannot be to the detriment of the Coventry people.”

Stuart Cosgrove, from the Get Cov Back To The Ricoh campaign, said: “We are not saying sell at any cost – it needs to be at a market value. So why not get an independent valuation?

“It could also be an exit strategy for the owners who, it can be said, are the worst owners we have ever had.

“We want what is best for the club and the city, which is to have the club back in the arena that was built for them.”

Fellow campaigner Rob Stevens had called for a survey on the economic impact on Coventry of the Sky Blues playing games outside of the city, adding: “We estimate that about £20million is being lost in the city each season without the club here.”

martcov · Nov 29, 2013

How do they come to the figure of 20 million? Average Gate was around 11000 for 23 games. How much did these people spend have to spend per capita to get to 20 million?

Captain Dart · Nov 29, 2013

martcov said:
How do they come to the figure of 20 million? Average Gate was around 11000 for 23 games. How much did these people spend have to spend per capita to get to 20 million?

If I could see their methodology then I might give the claim some credence, until then I think we have to assume it is a made up figure..

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 29, 2013

martcov said:
How do they come to the figure of 20 million? Average Gate was around 11000 for 23 games. How much did these people spend have to spend per capita to get to 20 million?

Even though the figure sounds wayward it's more than likely accurate after you account for the money spent at the Arena, Pubs, Public Transport, the Arena Retail outlet, Food outlets, etc.

chiefdave · Nov 29, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Even though the figure sounds wayward it's more than likely accurate after you account for the money spent at the Arena, Pubs, Public Transport, the Arena Retail outlet, Food outlets, etc.

That works out somewhere in the region of £80 spend per ticket sold, seems high to me. When I go to games I drive up from Pompey, park for £2 near the fire station, walk to the ground, watch the game, walk to the car and go home. If it's really cold I might buy a cuppa at half time. So my total spend (on top of the ticket) is £2 so to reach that £80 per ticket average someone is spending £158, just can't see it.

oldskyblue58 · Nov 29, 2013

would be interested to see how they came up with that figure of £20m and the assumptions made.

Most fans come from Coventry and have not disappeared. They still have the same disposable income just spend it differently and most likely in Coventry.

What is lost in terms of football to Coventry the City is the income from city fans from outside the area and the income from away fans. But that assumes there is no alternative income that the City gains from

In all probability for the forseeable future we are League 1 talk of crowds of 20,000 at the Ricoh is unrealistic (except on one off occassions) and certainly away fans on average would not have been that significant on average what ? 1000

£20m ?............. seems a very high guess to me

Houdi · Nov 29, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Even though the figure sounds wayward it's more than likely accurate after you account for the money spent at the Arena, Pubs, Public Transport, the Arena Retail outlet, Food outlets, etc.

Of course you are assuming that the people who no longer go to the Ricoh, once a fortnight don't spend that money elsewhere that day. People still have to eat, no doubt some people will still go to the Pub on a Saturday. Some fans are now going to the Rugby or maybe the Ice Hockey, shopping, taking their kids to the cinema etc. It is impossible to accurately quantify, how much or how many businesses have been affected by this decision. Undoubtedly some businesses have suffered though, but equally some businesses have gained.

chiefdave · Nov 29, 2013

oldskyblue58 said:
Most fans come from Coventry and have not disappeared. They still have the same disposable income just spend it differently and most likely in Coventry.

This is a key point. It seems they are claiming every person that goes to a game spends £80 in the local area. Even if you take that figure as being correct for the whole amount to be lost from the local economy they are stating every person that went to a game no longer spends a single penny of that £80 in the local area. If they're going to throw figures like that around they need to show something that backs it up.

Snozz_is_god · Nov 29, 2013

chiefdave said:
This is a key point. It seems they are claiming every person that goes to a game spends £80 in the local area. Even if you take that figure as being correct for the whole amount to be lost from the local economy they are stating every person that went to a game no longer spends a single penny of that £80 in the local area. If they're going to throw figures like that around they need to show something that backs it up.

I used to spend a grand total of £4 extra per game (car park).

I think the £20m figure is rubbish, £1m at the most and even that's probably to high

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 29, 2013

Houdi said:
Of course you are assuming that the people who no longer go to the Ricoh, once a fortnight don't spend that money elsewhere that day. People still have to eat, no doubt some people will still go to the Pub on a Saturday. Some fans are now going to the Rugby or maybe the Ice Hockey, shopping, taking their kids to the cinema etc. It is impossible to accurately quantify, how much or how many businesses have been affected by this decision. Undoubtedly some businesses have suffered though, but equally some businesses have gained.

CBTR must have come to that figure using some sort of research I will doubt if they just came out and shouted a figure.

Captain Dart · Nov 29, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
CBTR must have come to that figure using some sort of research I will doubt if they just came out and shouted a figure.

Nothing is stopping them disclosing their rationale.

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 29, 2013

Captain Dart said:
Nothing is stopping them disclosing their rationale.

Maybe they're colaborating with the other supporters groups, they're the one's asking questions, it's going to be a dark day when Fan's Groups start questioning each other.

oldskyblue58 · Nov 29, 2013

so the SBT or KCIC or who ever should just accept the claims of cbtr without asking for the evidence or assumptions to support it??? ............ that would be wrong wouldnt it ?

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 29, 2013

oldskyblue58 said:
so the SBT or KCIC or who ever should just accept the claims of cbtr without asking for the evidence or assumptions to support it??? ............ that would be wrong wouldnt it ?

So if they think their claim is absurd for instance why not question it? So far at least that doesn't seem to have been the case, I hardly doubt also that the supporters group aren't in communication with each other.

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