But the CCFC owners must say they want to be there long term, mean it and stop playing games with our club that they seem not to be very good at.
But SISU have no other bargaining chips left (baring a very hopeful JR appeal). They won't pay a single bean more than they have to so will take a very aggressive negotiating stance. What it needs is someone to conduct a 'what if' meeting with ACL to take back to the dragons den of SISU. Now where's Waggot and the dean of Coventry......
Respect?! SISU were rightly universally condemned (including by ACL who tried to sue NTFC) for moving the club to Northampton. Now ACL are in cahoots with a team based in Wycombe to move 75 miles to the Ricoh? Where's the difference? Wasps fans aren't happy, CRC fans aren't happy, most CCFC fans aren't happy? So where's ACL's respect for Wasps fans, Cov Rugby fans?
"Sometimes you need to step back and see the bigger picture"? You, Otis, Astute and others seem to twist things to suit. Bad for SISU to do it, OK for ACL to do exactly the same thing. Why not go on the Wasps forum and ask them to see "the bigger picture"?
So, when CCFC move to Brandon is it OK for ACL to move in Wasps at that point ?
But SISU have no other bargaining chips left (baring a very hopeful JR appeal). They won't pay a single bean more than they have to so will take a very aggressive negotiating stance. What it needs is someone to conduct a 'what if' meeting with ACL to take back to the dragons den of SISU. Now where's Waggot and the dean of Coventry......
So, when CCFC move to Brandon is it OK for ACL to move in Wasps at that point ?
Well anyone supporting a move of a London based club to Coventry would certainly have no issue with CCFC playing games outside the Coventry boundary.
Answer the question not confuse it !!
You are either against the principal of sports franchising or you are not. If you are then you disagree with the suggested move as you disagree with that principal.
It may be better for ACL. It was better for winkleman to hot foot up to Milton Keynes - it's still didn't make it right.
So, when CCFC move to Brandon is it OK for ACL to move in Wasps at that point ?
The ideal deal for everyone is IMHO
CCFC buy into 50% of ACL and have the majority of the incremental incomes for all CCFC football matches.
WASPS buy into the other 50% of ACL allowing them to have the 15,000 plus stadium required for European matches and the majority of incremental incomes from these matches.
They are restricted to these big matches only in the agreement, playing their league matches at Wycombe. Hence satisfying the majority of their fans.
Both have equal access to the other income streams, via ACL, namely concerts, hotel, casino, stadium sponsorship etc
Perhaps some overlap of players etc using Coventry RFC as a feeder club, but I'm not sure how all these Rugby academy's work with there far reaching feeds.
What if Waggott was the dean of Coventry?
I've always thought that waggots goatie looks like boot polish..
Rather than from a long, serious session of arse licking?
Why would we want an ideal deal for LONDON Wasps in COVENTRY? We know that in order to become a top championship side and get into the PL we ideally need access to 100% of revenue to maximise revenue back into the team (whoever is owner).
You're the one who believes we're a premier league club, and anything less is a disgrace.
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This thread can be answered by a couple of simple questions:
Is it right that Wasps are considering Coventry as a new home? - No, no matter what the reasoning it's not correct, of course there are many fans at Wasps who will understand such a move because it's the only available option, that said some fans believed that moving to Sixfields was the only available option, it's all based on opinions, in this instance I think it's wrong to move Wasps to Coventry.
Will a possible move to the Ricoh for Wasps affect Coventry City FC or Coventry RFC? - More so Coventry RFC but a Ricoh move for Wasps would definitely affect both Clubs and I would understand both Clubs being objective to it.
Do Wasps have any other choice? - I personally don't think they do, they can't move anywhere else, the only other venue suitable would be Stadium MK, however with rumours that Tottenham are looking at Stadium MK as a Groundsharing option while their new Ground is built, Wasps won't play home matches at a ground that holds 3 teams. With that said I don't think it makes the situation right however it's likely to be that Wasps have no other alternative.
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Hi Rob, I'm not sure where you've got the idea that Wasps don't have an alternative. As far as I understand it they're not being kicked out of Wycombe, but their owners would like to move them elsewhere. For the average league crowd that they get, circa 7,000, Wycombe's plenty big enough for them.
Apparently the RFU have insisted on stadia larger than 15,000 for European games, but as we've seen there's nothing stopping them renting a stadium for those purposes.
This isn't, at least from anything that I've read, a move that's being forced upon Wasps.
Hi Rob, I'm not sure where you've got the idea that Wasps don't have an alternative. As far as I understand it they're not being kicked out of Wycombe, but their owners would like to move them elsewhere. For the average league crowd that they get, circa 7,000, Wycombe's plenty big enough for them.
Apparently the RFU have insisted on stadia larger than 15,000 for European games, but as we've seen there's nothing stopping them renting a stadium for those purposes.
This isn't, at least from anything that I've read, a move that's being forced upon Wasps.
I'll be honest Duffer I don't have a great knowledge on this situation, if there is a link suggesting that Wasps are not bring forced out, I'd like to see it if you can put it up?
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Maybe they are leaving because the rent is too high :slap:
As much as anything I think it is because Adams Park has poor road infrastructure.
Beggar's can't be choosers. Our deal at the moment is temporary - max. 4years. No security of tenure beyond that. The official position is that we are building a smaller stadium than the Ricoh in a small town or village somewhere near to Coventry. We are never going to get out of League 1 or 2 under those circumstances ( except a fluke as with the much quoted low budget promotion of Yeovil - now all gone quiet over there ). If, because of extra revenue through Wasps or anyone else, we were able to get any share of anything, then we would be in a better position than now. So, I hope that our owners start serious talks regarding getting a stake in the Ricoh before someone else does. Drop the JR, drop the P.i.T.S. stadium plan and let's move on.
The whole thing is a smoke screen , it is believed by people living cloud cuckoo land
I'll be honest Duffer I don't have a great knowledge on this situation, if there is a link suggesting that Wasps are not bring forced out, I'd like to see it if you can put it up?
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Appreciate your honesty Rob, but why are you saying Wasps are being forced out if you're not sure?
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/apr/10/wasps-owner-derek-richardson-stadium
http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-uni...miership-wasps-issue-statement-on-ground-move
The owner wants to move out, from everything I've read.
The new ground is never going to happen.
Also sharing the ground with Wasps will mean sharing our half the income too, so all the Pitchside advertising, etc would have to be slip 50:50. I can't see a scenario where this is beneficial for us in the slightest.
Wasps get about 6-7k attendances playing nearer their fan base, those attendance will drop significantly to 1.5-2k if they moved here, that won't be bringing in much revenue.
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The new ground is never going to happen.
Also sharing the ground with Wasps will mean sharing our half the income too, so all the Pitchside advertising, etc would have to be slip 50:50. I can't see a scenario where this is beneficial for us in the slightest.
Wasps get about 6-7k attendances playing nearer their fan base, those attendance will drop significantly to 1.5-2k if they moved here, that won't be bringing in much revenue.
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The only way it would be beneficial is the big European games. Also the value if the sponsorship would rise as they are of a higher marketing profile than us.
The best thing SISU could do is purchase a matching share before the whole value if ACL rises.
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