Nick
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You do realise you have just contradicted yourself about the first two sentences of that?
You do realise you have just contradicted yourself about the first two sentences of that?How is it distressing CCFC to pick it up cheaply? Obviously it hurts SISU if they have to sell at a lower price. Take off your SISU blinkers for once.
This is where I start to get confused. If he's the chairman of the protest group why was he on the stage at a trust event. If the trust is separate to the protest why is CJ organising a coach to protest at sisu on the way to AFC Wimbledon?
A totally reasonable reply from Dave, and you have to be insulting. If you don't agree with daves post why not state why instead of just calling him a prick.
Out of interest what would you say if you asked Nick a question, like Dave did of you, and he called you a condescending prick? .............You would go mad.
You do realise you have just contradicted yourself about the first two sentences of that?
Does ticket prices being lowered makes SISU our hero's? If they opened the games up for free, gates would still be down, why? It's not so much cheaper seats(It does help) but investment on the team is what's needed. Instead of suing anyone and everyone, put money to a better cause, put it towards buying better players than the dross we've got now, you know what I mean? Buy a good CF at the first opportunity, rather than wait to see what shit we can pick up for nothing on the last day of the transfer window. To cut a long story short, all CD ever does is throw figures at you. Letting the heart rule the head is not always the best route to go, but it's not always the wrong way. CD and Nick, are always the first to jump to the defence of SISU... "Just for balance".... Btw, have you had a word with Grenduffy yet? I'll bet not!
I wasn't the one who said it limits the club, the speaker tonight did.
I can fully understand the break even stuff, would other fans? I have said over and over that break even could be still achieved but gone about it a much better way with a different result.
You said about the product, I said the product would still be the same which is League 1 / League 2 football.
He also mentioned that moves are afoot to limit overspending by legal and regulatory means in higher divisions and talked about how small victories to move towards this model were important in the interim, but you'd rather not discuss the issues would you Nick and just support a status quo that leaves this club in a deeply unsatisfactory situation.
There was also a guy from SD on the stage as well as a guy from the PST. Are you confused about them too?
You saidI didn't say he did say "have a boycott" did I? Stop lying.
You said
'David Johnson going on about a boycott as a scenario as the fans buying the club because they can pick the club up via administration.'
Seems pretty much what you did say, but no you wriggle and wriggle but increasingly more and more people are seeing through you
That's the press for you.Just caught Free Radios news bulletin. It only mentioned boycotting not that fans met to discuss a possible takeover. It basically said "fans were told last night that they will have no choice other then to boycott games if they want to takeover the club at a fans forum meeting last night"
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Yep, but most fans werent at the meeting and when I was tuned into Periscope only 74 people were on that. So the majority of fans will get their information/updates through thr media. And that is saying boycott.That's the press for you.
You sure they weren't talking cricket?Yep, but most fans werent at the meeting and when I was tuned into Periscope only 74 people were on that. So the majority of fans will get their information/updates through thr media. And that is saying boycott.
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Nah, we're nowhere near as solid in defence than GeoffreyYou sure they weren't talking cricket?
It was a perfectly valid point and question but instead you just start ranting about other stuff and abusing people. Surprise.
You are getting annoyed about somebody using facts during a debate?
being spun by some on here not just the pressThat's the press for you.
So the "Fact" about my saying the budget has decreased every year since the present owners took charge isn't a valid point then? Football being the entity that it is needs to footballers yes?.... Depending on how well the team that you own does in the leagues depends on how much you invest, yes? If like an upwardly looking owner supplies his manager with the resources, a good percentage of them will do well in their league and even gain promotion. If however, you happen to have owners like ours, there is only one way our Football Club will go, and it isn't up!..... With regards to CD and yourself. It's not the "Debate" that gets to me, it's the way in which both he and you come across as descending and holier than thou. I'm all for debate, but I definately won't be talked down too by you or anyone else.
being spun by some on here not just the press
Saw a tweet from somebody after the event. All he talked about was a total boycott.
Strange that no one mentioned that it was clearly stated several times by different people that a boycott was not needed as it was happening naturally by people voting with there feet and making their own personal decision not to renew next season. Which is a whole lot different from an organised boycott, but spin away as you wishStrange that multiple people got that general idea from it isn't it? The main point CovMad have taken from it and mentioned is about season ticket renewals rather than anything else also.
Just a side thought.....
At the moment apparently we need a good relationship with the council (we don't have one)
We have to sell players to stay at breakeven
We have an owner who can't put money in
We have to run at breakeven.
The current financial model as admitted by the person running the club doesn't add up if we get into the championship.
We need a good relationship with our landlords (doesn't seem like we have that)
We desperately need to engage our fans and have them onside trusting us that when we made decisions they are the best for the club and not what's best for a different business, whether it's good for the club or not.
So fan ownership gets you
Running at breakeven only (we already are)
Selling players to stay at breakeven (we already do)
A good relationship with the council ( you would like to think so)
Good relationship with our landlords (better chance than we have now)
Good relationship with the fans (you would like to think so)
Decisions made solely with the best interests of the club (you would like to think so)
Big downside
SISU don't want to realise their loses.
They don't seem to have a long term plan.
So looks like fans may have to wait a few years for the unfortunate nature to take its cause
Yet you call somebody a prick for asking you a perfectly valid question when discussing attendances / budgets?
Strange that no one mentioned that it was clearly stated several times by different people that a boycott was not needed as it was happening naturally by people voting with there feet and making their own personal decision not to renew next season. Which is a whole lot different from an organised boycott, but spin away as you wish
Does ticket prices being lowered makes SISU our hero's? If they opened the games up for free, gates would still be down, why? It's not so much cheaper seats(It does help) but investment on the team is what's needed. Instead of suing anyone and everyone, put money to a better cause, put it towards buying better players than the dross we've got now, you know what I mean? Buy a good CF at the first opportunity, rather than wait to see what shit we can pick up for nothing on the last day of the transfer window. To cut a long story short, all CD ever does is throw figures at you. Letting the heart rule the head is not always the best route to go, but it's not always the wrong way. CD and Nick, are always the first to jump to the defence of SISU... "Just for balance".... Btw, have you had a word with Grenduffy yet? I'll bet not!
[/QUOTE]I will try again....
Why were SISU reneging on making £20m available for players to "Take the Football Club forward"?
What good would resigning from Coventry City fc do with regards to the "Loans" to Cardiff City fc"?...It certainly wouldn't get him off any charges should they be proven would it?
Is shitting on the fans of Coventry City fc. by SISU something a business of integrity would do in your opinion?
First and foremost, you answered the question. Pity you didn't do it first time around.
Second CD asked you a question you didn't answer you insulted. I seem to recall you banging on and on and on at Nick when he doesn't answer your questions. Pot and kettle come to mind.
Third, if Grendel had been on the thread and called someone a condescending prick I would have said the same to him. He didn't, and I am fucked if I am going to monitor the site all the time like you do to see if Grendel insults anyone, just so I can call him out to please you.
Fourth what the fuck has Grendel got to do with this post. Are you obsessed with him? For fucks sake if you like him that much ask him on a date.
Far enough. It only said 74 when I was on it. Does it count repeat viewers separately?View attachment 6351
Over 1200 viewed the periscope feed.
Far enough. It only said 74 when I was on it.
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The trust have been working on this for two years we are told. I would expect after two years for them to have something to show for it. That's not unreasonable when they start talking about people putting money into escrow accounts and committing to buying shares is it?are you thick or what, how can they present something they are working on , not finalised.
This is the point isn't it. They need to be completely separate yet you have David Johnson up on stage at a Trust event about fan ownership. You have the Trust posting things about JHW protests on their website and you even had Moz getting the two mixed up. They very clearly aren't separate and they need to be.David Johnson of The Jimmy Hill Way, Jan from the Trust. Two different organisations. As the guy from Portsmouth said protest leading organisation needs to be separate from the Trust.
Before the fans takeover they average 12.232 in L1 despite being bottom and getting relegated. Simple fact is they are a better supported side than us, in a much smaller city. If you then look that they required a large council loan and several individuals to put in large amounts it shows you what we are up against. And that was buying out of admin, unless we're saying push the club into admin we would need a lot more finance.Pompey getting 16000 crowds in League 2 with 12000 season ticket holders and presumably a positive atmosphere about the place have far more chance of success than we have with our shrinking fan base. Both clubs are operating a break even policy but the Pompey version is a world away from Fisher's
That was the thing that struck me. A lot of what was being said by the Supporters Direct / Pompey representatives could have been straight out of Fishers mouth. Said in a less antagonistic way but still the same thing which will have the same end result. I wasn't really clear on how fan ownership would really change the way the club is run. Yes you'd have people who cared about the club involved which is obviously a good thing but if you have £1m to spend now or £1m to spend with fan ownership you're getting the same end result.Lost in the sea of arguements but it seems to me that what's apparent is that we are already ran in the same manner as fan ownership now. Except with people whose priority is another company?
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