Coventry City: Why? (1 Viewer)

The Gentleman said:

When they were down and out and had 10k watching them my mates were there so I wouldn't call them plastic, would you?. Now they are successful they are more of an attraction. How many were at the Ricoh last season and how many would be there if we had a billionaire tycoon and were high up the premiership table and filling the Ricoh? Would that make to the other 20k plastic fans at the Ricoh?

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We don't need a tycoon for that, a JPT area final at £5 a pop giving you priority per potential Wembley tickets will do the trick.....

The Gentleman said:

When they were down and out and had 10k watching them my mates were there so I wouldn't call them plastic, would you?. Now they are successful they are more of an attraction. How many were at the Ricoh last season and how many would be there if we had a billionaire tycoon and were high up the premiership table and filling the Ricoh? Would that make to the other 20k plastic fans at the Ricoh?

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Yes it would. Your mates may be an exception but the vast majority of people walking round in Chelsea shirts are in it for the glory.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Yes it would. Your mates may be an exception but the vast majority of people walking round in Chelsea shirts are in it for the glory.

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Ok, but so what. If they were sleeper fans and they have come out now they have success, who cares. I would love us to be in the PL with a rich backer bringing success on the pitch and a full house at the Ricoh, would I care if the bloke next to me hadn't been to a game when we were in L1, no is my answer because I just want us to do well and I am sure that is the case for millions of other fans around the country. The fact that you don't see some fans when times are bad doesn't bother me as I have far bigger things to trouble me than that.

chelsea were winning stuff before roman came in anyway, they wernt shit or anything.

i dont hate any big money clubs for the most part, anything that makes it harder for manchester utd is fine by me.

The Gentleman said:

Ok, but so what. If they were sleeper fans and they have come out now they have success, who cares. I would love us to be in the PL with a rich backer bringing success on the pitch and a full house at the Ricoh, would I care if the bloke next to me hadn't been to a game when we were in L1, no is my answer because I just want us to do well and I am sure that is the case for millions of other fans around the country. The fact that you don't see some fans when times are bad doesn't bother me as I have far bigger things to trouble me than that.

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Not saying it keeps me awake at night, just simply saying that it annoys me seeing people walk around Coventry for instance with their United or Chelsea shirts on because these folk quite clearly are glory hunters.

yeah BSB is 100% right with that one

too many excuses fly about

Ian rush was my favourite player

my grandad and dad supported them so i grew up as a utd fan"

blah blah, at some point you must know its wrong.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Not saying it keeps me awake at night, just simply saying that it annoys me seeing people walk around Coventry for instance with their United or Chelsea shirts on because these folk quite clearly are glory hunters.

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You say you live in Scotland (I think). Do you wear you Cov top around there? Point is we can choose to support who we want and to be honest, is it not the responsibility of CCFC to put a product out on the pitch that makes everyone from Cov and the surrounding areas want to follow.

The Gentleman said:

You say you live in Scotland (I think). Do you wear you Cov top around there? Point is we can choose to support who we want and to be honest, is it not the responsibility of CCFC to put a product out on the pitch that makes everyone from Cov and the surrounding areas want to follow.

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The difference is I support Coventry specifically because that's where I'm from and where I grew up. The average person in Coventry, or anywhere else nowhere near Manchester, wearing a United shirt does so because of their success.

In the seventies you had blokes walking around Coventry wearing Chelsea,Liverpool,Man United tops it's nothing new at all.
I used to get stick in pubs and at work for wearing my Cov City shirt,why don't you support a top club etc etc ?
What I have got and others like me who have stuck with the City is loyalty,someone who follows a club because they are a so called "big" club wouldn't know what that is.

bringbackrattles said:

In the seventies you had blokes walking around Coventry wearing Chelsea,Liverpool,Man United tops it's nothing new at all.
I used to get stick in pubs and at work for wearing my Cov City shirt,why don't you support a top club etc etc ?
What I have got and others like me who have stuck with the City is loyalty,someone who follows a club because they are a so called "big" club wouldn't know what that is.

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Not true, there was this Chelsea fan who was telling me when one time they finished 6th and he stuck by them, because that's 'what a real fan does'. Also had a few Arsenal fans declaring quite aggressively that they aren't glory hunters because 'we only finish in the top 4 every year, sometimes we even come 5th'. The jist of it from these guys is that supporting teams based on where you grew up or who your dad did is less important than the quality on the pitch and the success of the team.

It's less that and more the movement of cash away from the majority to the small minority that's the issue for me.

We pay silly wages and silly transfer fees for players that are way above our price range because of the Premier League's distorting effect on player expectations.

shmmeee said:

It's less that and more the movement of cash away from the majority to the small minority that's the issue for me.

We pay silly wages and silly transfer fees for players that are way above our price range because of the Premier League's distorting effect on player expectations.

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Which is the bigger outrage:

Wayne Rooney on £300,000/week or David Bell on £5,000/week?

shmmeee said:

It's less that and more the movement of cash away from the majority to the small minority that's the issue for me.

We pay silly wages and silly transfer fees for players that are way above our price range because of the Premier League's distorting effect on player expectations.

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Yep, the trickle down effect extends to demands but to means to meet demands!

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Which is the bigger outrage:

Wayne Rooney on £300,000/week or David Bell on £5,000/week?

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David Bell all day long. Rooney probably earns something like that in value and image rights for Man Utd. David Bell probably cost us money each week he was here.

Some superstars are genuinely worth movie star wages, but it's nothing to do with footballing ability in most cases.

shmmeee said:

David Bell all day long. Rooney probably earns something like that in value and image rights for Man Utd. David Bell probably cost us money each week he was here.

Some superstars are genuinely worth movie star wages, but it's nothing to do with footballing ability in most cases.

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People baulk at the massive earners when what they really should be asking is how people in the lower leagues get paid £50k+ a year for playing football few people are interested in.

Brighton Sky Blue said:

Which is the bigger outrage:

Wayne Rooney on £300,000/week or David Bell on £5,000/week?

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For me Rooney (although Bell grossly overpaid) gets 50% more in a year than our entire turnover in the championship.



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stupot07 said:

For me Rooney (although Bell grossly overpaid) gets 50% more in a year than our entire turnover in the championship.



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Irrelevant. What does he make for Man Utd? His image rights alone are worth close to that much.

shmmeee said:

Irrelevant. What does he make for Man Utd? His image rights alone are worth close to that much.

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It's not irrelevant in a thread discussing how the PL and money it brings has helped ruin the game. Plus Rooney gets paid image rights on top of his £300k a week salary.

He's also only rated the 25th best player in the world according to this

http://app.caughtoffside.com/?referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/#article/caughtoffside-180426

30th best according to this

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...-best-50-players-in-wc2014-qualifying/page/24

And 23rd according to this

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-top-100-players-world-2013-30-21

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stupot07 said:

It's not irrelevant in a thread discussing how the PL and money it brings has helped ruin the game. Plus Rooney gets paid image rights on top of his £300k a week salary.

He's also only rated the 25th best player in the world according to this

http://app.caughtoffside.com/?referrer=https://www.google.co.uk/#article/caughtoffside-180426

30th best according to this

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...-best-50-players-in-wc2014-qualifying/page/24

And 23rd according to this

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-top-100-players-world-2013-30-21

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My point is that it's not Rooney's wages per se (or indeed his ability) that are the problem. Man Utd can afford to pay those wages. CCFC couldn't afford to pay David Bell or his ilk.

Beckham wasn't the best player, but he was the most marketable. Rooney is the same until another player with the same hype and media attention comes through. That in itself is a commercial product that is worth buying into, hence it should add to his market value. David Bell has no media hype, and makes us little on the pitch (partly due to the skewed payments between leagues and for league position).

Either smaller clubs need more money, or players need to accept that the media perception and the stakes available for the club (i.e. we can't win the Champions League, Man Utd can) affect the pay scale far more than the ability of the player. It's more like movies to be honest. You might be a better actor than Adam Sandler, but you're not worth as much commercially. So much so that a majority should probably be doing it part time or on an amateur basis.

EDIT: another thought is that payments between leagues should be less "stepped" than they are so the difference between top in the Championship and bottom in the Prem isn't measured in 10s of millions. That would reduce the incentive to gamble large amounts on promotion, which not only ruins clubs if it doesn't come off, but distorts the wage market in that division. It would also mean that it's possible to grow a team in a league, getting progressively better and similarly slowly shrink a team as it becomes less successful. If we'd had that we'd have been used to a near L1 budget by the time we went down.

All payments should be based on league position, evenly spaced between the 92, with no bonus payments for winning the league or playoffs and no parachute payments.