Coventy United 17th May 2014 (2 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · May 17, 2014

Grendel said:
Ok so Swansea have been investigated for 6 months. How's it going?

How do I know, I don't work for either the European commission or Swansea council.

How long have sisu being pursuing the JR?

How did they get on with trying to obtain extra evidence this week which would have meant the outcome being further postponed?

Let's not kid yourself that the timescale is important of this process is important to sisu. We've seen that this week in court.

Do you think that a European commission with the backing of the European Court would have got what sisu was trying to obtain this week or are you seriously suggesting that a hedge fund has more authority?

SkyBlueSid · May 17, 2014

Grendel said:
This is a forum for CCFC fans so I suggest you piss off and join the cov utd forum - talking to yourself no doubt.

People who go to Sixfields are not the real CCFC fans, they are the ones killing the club. Just saying.....

Oh, and your question is too easy, so I'll leave it to others. But he scored against Ipswich who were not the team we sold him to.

Grendel · May 18, 2014

SkyBlueSid said:
People who go to Sixfields are not the real CCFC fans, they are the ones killing the club. Just saying.....

Oh, and your question is too easy, so I'll leave it to others. But he scored against Ipswich who were not the team we sold him to.

Mmmmm I took a flyer on the goal. It was a flat footed free kick from 25 yards. I was there and only went to portman road twice. So ill have to take your word for it. Not so easy though - the poster it was directed at didn't have a clue.

As for your first paragraph - just shameful.

SkyBlueSid · May 18, 2014

Grendel said:
Mmmmm I took a flyer on the goal. It was a flat footed free kick from 25 yards. I was there and only went to portman road twice. So ill have to take your word for it. Not so easy though - the poster it was directed at didn't have a clue.

As for your first paragraph - just shameful.

It was easy. I was there, and attended Portman Road many times. Not everyone was a part timer. And it was not direct from a free kick either, Barry Powell set it up.

The shameful ones are those who are allowing our club to be destroyed. You carry on, though. There will be no team for you to 'support' soon enough, and the majority will have been proved right. You are in the small minority who disagree, so only time will tell. If your stance does turn out to be right, there will be nobody left who cares anyway.

covmark · May 18, 2014

Oh good more 'destroying the club' bollocks. Lots of people have had a hand in the destruction of our club, but it isn't the fans. Sixfielders or non sixfielders it really isn't our fault.

skybluetony176 · May 18, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
How do I know, I don't work for either the European commission or Swansea council.

How long have sisu being pursuing the JR?

How did they get on with trying to obtain extra evidence this week which would haveant the outcome being further postponed?

Let's not kid yourself that the timescale is important of this process is important to sisu. We've seen that this week in court.

Do you think that a European commission with the backing of the European Court would have got what sisu was trying to obtain this week or are you seriously suggesting that a hedge fund has more authority?

Dodged the difficult important questions again grendull. That's twice over 2days on 2 different threads you haven't answered.

If you don't know that's fair enough, I respect that. But it's just you dismissed everything I said so quickly I thought you must be an expert in European law or something to be in a position to dismiss it so quickly. I guess I was wrong to think so highly about you. Your tag team partner "bitter lemon" was no help either, he just started swearing while calling me an idiot and a mong. Great counter.

Otis · May 18, 2014

I have no problem with Coventry United myself. None whatsoever.

Apart from the 'United' bit of course.

Good luck to them. I support any Coventry team, be it football, rugby, American Football, ice hockey, athletics, whatever. I'm a proud Cov kid. Just seems obvious to me.

SkyBlueSid · May 18, 2014

covmark said:
Oh good more 'destroying the club' bollocks. Lots of people have had a hand in the destruction of our club, but it isn't the fans. Sixfielders or non sixfielders it really isn't our fault.

It has never been the fans' fault until now. We have seen years of financial and managerial incompetence, dating back at least to the cup win. But only now are we faced with the club ceasing to exist, and my opinion is that, had there been a complete boycott of Northampton, it would have forced an agreement to play in Coventry until the mess was resolved. The club cannot exist without supporters, and 90% of the support is never going to Northampton. That other 10% are merely dragging out the misery.

It is Catch-22 now and the most likely outcome is not some mythical new stadium but liquidation. If that conclusion is 'destroying the club bollocks' then so be it. The idiots running us at present are worse than previous idiots as they will destroy the club unless someone else takes it over. I hope the judicial review resolves something, but I doubt it. Sisu have little chance of winning it and will just dig in further. The biggest problem is that most of that 90% just don't care any more.

TurkeyTrot · May 18, 2014

SkyBlueSid said:
It has never been the fans' fault until now. We have seen years of financial and managerial incompetence, dating back at least to the cup win. But only now are we faced with the club ceasing to exist, and my opinion is that, had there been a complete boycott of Northampton, it would have forced an agreement to play in Coventry until the mess was resolved. The club cannot exist without supporters, and 90% of the support is never going to Northampton. That other 10% are merely dragging out the misery.

It is Catch-22 now and the most likely outcome is not some mythical new stadium but liquidation. If that conclusion is 'destroying the club bollocks' then so be it. The idiots running us at present are worse than previous idiots as they will destroy the club unless someone else takes it over. I hope the judicial review resolves something, but I doubt it. Sisu have little chance of winning it and will just dig in further. The biggest problem is that most of that 90% just don't care any more.

Don't think the 10% who do go matters that much to SISU financially, maybe it would be a moral defeat for SISU if no one went but that's about all.

Samo · May 18, 2014

SkyBlueSid said:
It has never been the fans' fault until now. We have seen years of financial and managerial incompetence, dating back at least to the cup win. But only now are we faced with the club ceasing to exist, and my opinion is that, had there been a complete boycott of Northampton, it would have forced an agreement to play in Coventry until the mess was resolved. The club cannot exist without supporters, and 90% of the support is never going to Northampton. That other 10% are merely dragging out the misery.

It is Catch-22 now and the most likely outcome is not some mythical new stadium but liquidation. If that conclusion is 'destroying the club bollocks' then so be it. The idiots running us at present are worse than previous idiots as they will destroy the club unless someone else takes it over. I hope the judicial review resolves something, but I doubt it. Sisu have little chance of winning it and will just dig in further. The biggest problem is that most of that 90% just don't care any more.

As I said on another thread, SISU lost around 8000 paying customers when they moved from the Ricoh and they took that hit. But you think the other 1500 would see them cave in?

SkyblueBazza · May 18, 2014

covmark said:
Oh good more 'destroying the club' bollocks. Lots of people have had a hand in the destruction of our club, but it isn't the fans. Sixfielders or non sixfielders it really isn't our fault.

Let's face it. Even the fans in general have played their part in getting us where we are. All those that deserted the club post '87. Why were they not queuing for tickets for every game years later? That plays a part, although if football clubs want to run themselves as a business - the first thing to do is market a vibrant, exciting product that is in some way attractive to people. And THAT is where successive owners have failed. Bringing in a big name is all very well, but costs big time - for the same money probably could get two emerging talents. Also need to give more attractive but longer & more tie-in (i.e. Stuff "get-out" clauses - keep it as simple as possible). Be innovative rather than sheepish following what works with other clubs.
I've thought a lot about transforming our fortunes - some ideas won't work, some will - that's business!!!

PUSB

ajsccfc · May 18, 2014

Insisting that SISU would somehow collapse or give in if the remaining people stopped attending is really just an easy angle to slag off the people who do attend, while Spionkop 'likes' in the shadows like a weasel.

RegTheDonk · May 18, 2014

Samo said:
As I said on another thread, SISU lost around 8000 paying customers when they moved from the Ricoh and they took that hit. But you think the other 1500 would see them cave in?

Financially, probably not and I agree they will take that hit for a while. I'd be more interested to see what additional pressure in terms of PR it might achieve in the eyes of the FL, FA, SISU's investors and the footballing community in general.

ajsccfc · May 18, 2014

The main problem with it is that I can't see how Sisu give a single fuck about PR (nobody can be this consistently feckless when dealing with the public surely) or their reputation or really anything else. They've got the go-ahead already to do what they're doing and I can't see what will stop them. They're like the stereotypical cockroach and we're all in fallout.

Samo · May 18, 2014

RegTheDonk said:
Financially, probably not and I agree they will take that hit for a while. I'd be more interested to see what additional pressure in terms of PR it might achieve in the eyes of the FL, FA, SISU's investors and the footballing community in general.

Sorry Reg but the FL only care about fulfilling fixtures, the FA don't give a shit because we are not prem and are more interested in prem b teams, and SISU's investors are not going to jump ship over the small change that Sixfields generates. I don't believe it matters a jot how many turn up at Sixfields. It's small potatoes. What matters now is the JR and the Ricoh.

SkyBlueSid · May 18, 2014

Samo said:
As I said on another thread, SISU lost around 8000 paying customers when they moved from the Ricoh and they took that hit. But you think the other 1500 would see them cave in?

I don't think the extra financial hit would make much difference as their financial 'strategy' makes no sense whatsoever anyway. But if games were only attended by away fans, so that gates were as low as 100 or so, it would show the pointlessness of their idiotic relocation. Why would a professional club stage games without anyone interested in watching?

You can argue, of course, that the fact that only 1600 makes our home games pretty pointless anyway. It simply demonstrates that there is a bigger agenda and that the owners will dump the club without a backward glance when the time is right. So the Sixfielders are simply bridging that time gap for them. How long that time gap will be tolerated is anyone's guess, but a year on absolutely nothing has changed or progressed.

Samo · May 18, 2014

SkyBlueSid said:
I don't think the extra financial hit would make much difference as their financial 'strategy' makes no sense whatsoever anyway. But if games were only attended by away fans, so that gates were as low as 100 or so, it would show the pointlessness of their idiotic relocation. Why would a professional club stage games without anyone interested in watching?

You can argue, of course, that the fact that only 1600 makes our home games pretty pointless anyway. It simply demonstrates that there is a bigger agenda and that the owners will dump the club without a backward glance when the time is right. So the Sixfielders are simply bridging that time gap for them. How long that time gap will be tolerated is anyone's guess, but a year on absolutely nothing has changed or progressed.

I certainly agree with that sentence.

TurkeyTrot · May 18, 2014

Samo said:
I certainly agree with that sentence.

Let's not anyone kid themselves here. SISU have an end game, that is to make money for their investors. Thats what hedge funds do. Plain and simple. It's been their agenda from day one. All this talk about caring for the Club and fans or not caring is irrelevant. If the club is in a better position when SISU exit the club doesn't come into it. It's about investors making money. That isn't a go at SISU btw it's just the way it is and has been. As fans we accepted that fact from day one, either with open arms or begrudgingly.
The other fact is, whatever SISU's initial intentions it's all gone horribly wrong and we may have past the point of no return. SISU will adjust their plans according to the situation, either reactively or proactively. Pointing out their "lies" is more pointing out a change of strategy. Maybe they didn't expect the Council/ ACL to play hardball in return to the way SISU do business, I dunno, and while I have no time whatsoever for SISU I really do worry about my football club as the options seem to be running out.
It's going to take some mighty climb downs from all sides to get out of this one, my only question is are the main protagonists man or woman enough to do so.

Deleted member 5849 · May 18, 2014

TurkeyTrot said:
As fans we accepted that fact from day one, either with open arms or begrudgingly.

Many didn't, bizarrely (although I take your open arms point).

Many, in fact, always buy in for whatever reason to the false platitudes trotted out by various parties, and for some reason seem to accept them unquestioningly as anything other than the things everybody always has to say!

Then we end up with the likes of SISU as one and only choice, so they're given a free ride to enter the club and, to an extent, a mandate given to them to do whatever they want to do; the furor that surrounded anybody who dared to even slightly question Haskell's motives as maybe not a die-hard sky blue with the interests of the club in mind shows that still happens.

Extending that, it's what concerns me about the current situation. For the purposes of argument, let's use the numbers game and suggest it's all 100% SISU's fault. However, the total lack of desire to pressure our council into pointing out some people do care about a football club, a football club matters and, instead, allow the talk to be of land development and community assets does, to my mind, give the council the mandate to do exactly that, and dismiss the football club as a sideshow.

And long after SISU have gone, that type of attitude won't help the football club.

TurkeyTrot · May 18, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Many didn't, bizarrely (although I take your open arms point).

Many, in fact, always buy in for whatever reason to the false platitudes trotted out by various parties, and for some reason seem to accept them unquestioningly as anything other than the things everybody always has to say!

Then we end up with the likes of SISU as one and only choice, so they're given a free ride to enter the club and, to an extent, a mandate given to them to do whatever they want to do; the furor that surrounded anybody who dared to even slightly question Haskell's motives as maybe not a die-hard sky blue with the interests of the club in mind shows that still happens.

Extending that, it's what concerns me about the current situation. For the purposes of argument, let's use the numbers game and suggest it's all 100% SISU's fault. However, the total lack of desire to pressure our council into pointing out some people do care about a football club, a football club matters and, instead, allow the talk to be of land development and community assets does, to my mind, give the council the mandate to do exactly that, and dismiss the football club as a sideshow.

And long after SISU have gone, that type of attitude won't help the football club.

Agreed, problem is, like it or not, the football club is a side show to the council and many others. I'm talking financially here. The council are there to serve their constituents and SISU are there to serve their investors and it's us fans caught in the middle. But while the fans are behind their own battle lines with no quarter to give we have to recognise our own parts we have played in this. Look at this forum for example, it's only a micro display of how Coventry fans feel but the minute one of the opposite side drops their guard we have e usual suspects piling in so extremism breeds extremism and so the circle turns.
The "debates" if that's what you want to call them are farcical. Each one picking fault with the other yet all have there merit.
Maybe it needs more radical thinking and less posturing because the longer this goes on the longer it's going to take to get out this mess if at all.

SkyBlueSid · May 18, 2014

TurkeyTrot said:
Agreed, problem is, like it or not, the football club is a side show to the council and many others. I'm talking financially here. The council are there to serve their constituents and SISU are there to serve their investors and it's us fans caught in the middle. But while the fans are behind their own battle lines with no quarter to give we have to recognise our own parts we have played in this. Look at this forum for example, it's only a micro display of how Coventry fans feel but the minute one of the opposite side drops their guard we have e usual suspects piling in so extremism breeds extremism and so the circle turns.
The "debates" if that's what you want to call them are farcical. Each one picking fault with the other yet all have there merit.
Maybe it needs more radical thinking and less posturing because the longer this goes on the longer it's going to take to get out this mess if at all.

The problem here is that the people who post on the forums are those who still actually care, whichever side of the argument you favour. The majority of the fanbase don't care any longer, I fear, and it is going to be a virtually impossible task even to get 10000 back should we ever return to the Ricoh, at least in the short term.

So I agree, the actual arguments will not matter as it all melts away. The proverbial 'two bald men arguing over a comb'.

Deleted member 5849 · May 18, 2014

SkyBlueSid said:
The problem here is that the people who post on the forums are those who still actually care, whichever side of the argument you favour. The majority of the fanbase don't care any longer, I fear, and it is going to be a virtually impossible task even to get 10000 back should we ever return to the Ricoh, at least in the short term.

So I agree, the actual arguments will not matter as it all melts away. The proverbial 'two bald men arguing over a comb'.

Which draws me at least back to the view that what will be will be, in that various court cases at least allow somebody better placed than me to wade through what's bollocks and what has merit in an argument, and (eventually!!) some kind of resolution will happen.

Those court cases will go on whatever we do as fans however.

What we can do is show that there's something that matters behind it all, a club which is at the end of the day about the fans, rather than development opportunities, or a decimal point on the stock exchange.

mark82 · May 18, 2014

HighfieldRoader said:
Where was it announced a few days ago? The first mention of it I can find on social media is yesterday. Also today's Coventry Telegraph states The Alan Higgs Centre.
The ''may as well be run by SISU'' comment can be found in the comments section as part of a posting by Ed Carey.

On their website.

mark82 · May 18, 2014

M&B Stand said:
Most lads from Cov Sunday prem one that play Saturdays would play higher than midcomb 2. Alvis, Copeswood possibly griff, atherstone.

They have to start somewhere fella.

Sick Boy · May 18, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Many didn't, bizarrely (although I take your open arms point).

Many, in fact, always buy in for whatever reason to the false platitudes trotted out by various parties, and for some reason seem to accept them unquestioningly as anything other than the things everybody always has to say!

Then we end up with the likes of SISU as one and only choice, so they're given a free ride to enter the club and, to an extent, a mandate given to them to do whatever they want to do; the furor that surrounded anybody who dared to even slightly question Haskell's motives as maybe not a die-hard sky blue with the interests of the club in mind shows that still happens.

Extending that, it's what concerns me about the current situation. For the purposes of argument, let's use the numbers game and suggest it's all 100% SISU's fault. However, the total lack of desire to pressure our council into pointing out some people do care about a football club, a football club matters and, instead, allow the talk to be of land development and community assets does, to my mind, give the council the mandate to do exactly that, and dismiss the football club as a sideshow.

And long after SISU have gone, that type of attitude won't help the football club.

Excellent post!!

martcov · May 18, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Excellent post!!

We weren't a side show when we won the cup. Champers on the Leofric balcony, banquet with the players, photos with the cup....the whole council was into that.. Sharing the glory. Now it's Coventry who?

Covkid1968# · May 18, 2014

Otis said:
I have no problem with Coventry United myself. None whatsoever.

Apart from the 'United' bit of course.

Good luck to them. I support any Coventry team, be it football, rugby, American Football, ice hockey, athletics, whatever. I'm a proud Cov kid. Just seems obvious to me.

Spot on....why would anyone want to slag off a Coventry related sports team, completely beyond me!!

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