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[Deleted member 5849]

Rubbish it, tell me I'm overthinking... whatever.

There is one other option on the outskirts of the city boundary, but both CA and I would like to go for the BPA option. It bucks the trend of stadium development today – being an inner-city stadium – however, there are so many positives to the football club moving here. There would be no option of the academy being at the BPA, though, whereas that would be an option with the other ‘out-of-town’ site.
Read more at http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...ting-minutes-3132807.aspx#v5PCsKBKFj78w1Dh.99

From the SCG minutes.

Now... if we trace the time line.

Club announces Butts as option;

Academy stated to be under threat;

Talks over staying at Ricoh stall.

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the 'out of town' site with space for academy is actually the first choice... and this is all setting it up to be palatable?

 

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[Nick]

Rubbish it, tell me I'm overthinking... whatever.



From the SCG minutes.

Now... if we trace the time line.

Club announces Butts as option;

Academy stated to be under threat;

Talks over staying at Ricoh stall.

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the 'out of town' site with space for academy is actually the first choice... and this is all setting it up to be palatable?

It could be, and they have actually shown to be forced out so get more backing.

Just depends which boundary and how close I guess.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Just posted something similar on another thread. I think its the only way forward that we have to be free of council involvement.

 

[Ian1779]

Rubbish it, tell me I'm overthinking... whatever.



From the SCG minutes.

Now... if we trace the time line.

Club announces Butts as option;

Academy stated to be under threat;

Talks over staying at Ricoh stall.

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the 'out of town' site with space for academy is actually the first choice... and this is all setting it up to be palatable?

If this was true (which I hope is!!) it would indicate a level of long term planning that has been generally absent in CCFC dealings in the last 20 years.

I've got lots of things crossed.

 

[chiefdave]

The way things are looking our options are basically move to the Butts, move the other side of the city boundary or lose pretty much everything. At this point if we saw some concrete plans for an all in one stadium & academy facility not too far over the city boundary I'd be all for it. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[vow]

If this was true (which I hope is!!) it would indicate a level of long term planning that has been generally absent in CCFC dealings in the last 20 years.

I've got lots of things crossed.

Going by your avatar of Varys, i don't think everything is crossed.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

The way things are looking our options are basically move to the Butts, move the other side of the city boundary or lose pretty much everything. At this point if we saw some concrete plans for an all in one stadium & academy facility not too far over the city boundary I'd be all for it. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

I'd personally have Butts as first choice but that is a definite no go at the moment, council won't allow it to happen.

 

[mark82]

I'm not a fan of the Butts idea anyway. Limits the potential of the club. Would much rather a purpose built stadium with all facilities on outskirts. I personally would incorporate some sort of fan plaza with bars, hotel, shops, etc but try to ccfc theme it. Would be the place for JH statue, etc to go.

Something like this (but smaller scale I would guess).....

http://m.packers.com/news/gallery/f...n-district-renderings-006--nfl_mezz_1280_1024

 

[Shakeitup]

Just posted something similar on another thread. I think its the only way forward that we have to be free of council involvement.

Whilst some of the approaches the council have taken over recent years have not been with the average Sky Blues supporter in mind, let's not forget they bailed the club out with the stadium. That's a situation we shouldn't have got into in the first place!

 

[Otis]

Rubbish it, tell me I'm overthinking... whatever.



From the SCG minutes.

Now... if we trace the time line.

Club announces Butts as option;

Academy stated to be under threat;

Talks over staying at Ricoh stall.

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the 'out of town' site with space for academy is actually the first choice... and this is all setting it up to be palatable?

Hmm, interesting.

Obviously just conjecture of course, but .... they announce an out of the area location, fans not at all happy, but club then say that it is the only available location where we can have an academy too and that is vital for the club, so fans reluctantly agree.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

There's one thing a wise man said to me (a man I don't always agree with) that is indeed a truth, that SISU do a fine misdirection.

As such, I'd just like to keep a weather-eye on things such as this just in case... hopefully without distracting from the core issues.

 

[Captain Dart]

This crossed my mind about Brandon..

Anyone considered if this is actually SISU behind this, the company that owns the land is in Jersey & nothing is known about them.. no planning applications have been submitted to replace the stadium. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/live-coventry-speedway-fans-hold-11391351

http://www.datalog.co.uk/browse/det...7/CompanyName/INVESTIN+BRANDON+JERSEY+LIMITED
They love their secrecy don't they, all these investors.

 

[Nick]

While they are being thrown out there...

Anybody else remember when the council tried to force SISU out before with Haskell etc and the admin? A bit of deja vu?

 

[skybluetony176]

Rubbish it, tell me I'm overthinking... whatever.



From the SCG minutes.

Now... if we trace the time line.

Club announces Butts as option;

Academy stated to be under threat;

Talks over staying at Ricoh stall.

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the 'out of town' site with space for academy is actually the first choice... and this is all setting it up to be palatable?

It's possible, doesn't make it probable though. We're talking about an outfit who wouldn't even table a bid, any bid with the council for the Ricoh when invited. They clearly didn't have the backing to do that so I don't buy that they have the backing to aquire land and develop it into a stadium, training ground and academy. It would probably cost them more to do than what Villa was just sold for with those things already in place. They have zero chance of getting that money back let alone back with profit so they are not going to do it IMO.

I think it's more likely that it's another game of bluff and it's backfired. Again!

 

[Otis]

It's possible, doesn't make it probable though. We're talking about an outfit who wouldn't even table a bid, any bid with the council for the Ricoh when invited. They clearly didn't have the backing to do that so I don't buy that they have the backing to aquire land and develop it into a stadium, training ground and academy. It would probably cost them more to do than what Villa was just sold for with those things already in place. They have zero chance of getting that money back let alone back with profit so they are not going to do it IMO.

I think it's more likely that it's another game of bluff and it's backfired. Again!

Well yep, and this is why I don't get a lot of this great enthusiasm for the Butts. What makes us believe Sisu actually have any intention whatsoever of building a new stadium?

Our owners have given us empty promise after empty promise and seemingly the only thing they have done which they promised to do was to take us to Northampton.

 

[olderskyblue]

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the 'out of town' site with space for academy is actually the first choice... and this is all setting it up to be palatable?

Yes, it's quite possible, and although finances are always thrown in as an objection, don't we keep getting told that they would look to get the finances elsewhere? (Maybe Wasps have shown them how to do it?)

Also possible that it is just a "bluff" in this game between them and wasps... That there is no "2nd" site at all?

 

[wingy]

Rubbish it, tell me I'm overthinking... whatever.



From the SCG minutes.

Now... if we trace the time line.

Club announces Butts as option;

Academy stated to be under threat;

Talks over staying at Ricoh stall.

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the 'out of town' site with space for academy is actually the first choice... and this is all setting it up to be palatable?

There's one thing a wise man said to me (a man I don't always agree with) that is indeed a truth, that SISU do a fine misdirection.

As such, I'd just like to keep a weather-eye on things such as this just in case... hopefully without distracting from the core issues.

If I get how you're thinking but the SCG minutes I think say SISU won't be funding the Butts, largely coming from development and grants
Given that the obtuse plan is to go large, then they've had three years to get it going.
The current stories alone are enough to swing it without subterfuge IMO
To me The Investment will never come and distopian thinking leads me to conclude winding it all up is as likely given the cover of the current background.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Not beyond the realms of possibility NW. The CA interview the other day did spend a bit of time going on about the club leaving the city, being forced out. As you say the owners have used the "look here while we do something over there" strategy before

It seems to me that if they are to retain the Academy they will need an out of town site if they have to leave the Alan Higgs.

Another curve ball is that they have decided not to have an Academy in any case and the current furore actually suits the club. But that would involve senior people at the club not being truthful wouldn't it - CA uses a lot of words very carefully but I think he pretty much tells honestly what he can

 

[Samo]

Rubbish it, tell me I'm overthinking... whatever.



From the SCG minutes.

Now... if we trace the time line.

Club announces Butts as option;

Academy stated to be under threat;

Talks over staying at Ricoh stall.

Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the 'out of town' site with space for academy is actually the first choice... and this is all setting it up to be palatable?

Sugaring the pill eh? Yes entirely possible. (Assuming we believe they intend to build at all)

 

[mrtrench]

I'm not a fan of the Butts idea anyway. Limits the potential of the club. Would much rather a purpose built stadium with all facilities on outskirts. I personally would incorporate some sort of fan plaza with bars, hotel, shops, etc but try to ccfc theme it. Would be the place for JH statue, etc to go.

Something like this (but smaller scale I would guess).....

http://m.packers.com/news/gallery/f...n-district-renderings-006--nfl_mezz_1280_1024

More like this:

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Another curve ball is that they have decided not to have an Academy in any case and the current furore actually suits the club. But that would involve senior people at the club not being truthful wouldn't it - CA uses a lot of words very carefully but I think he pretty much tells honestly what he can

I've thought for a while they might find another method to an academy.

Truth be told, beyond the social benefits... I can see the financial benefits to getting rid (that doesn't mean I *want* to, btw). It does depend on a manager being able to pick well though, and then we become more dependent on picking a decent manager each time, then if we have our own academy up and running, semi-independently to the visible bits in the first team.

 

[wingy]

I've thought for a while they might find another method to an academy.

Truth be told, beyond the social benefits... I can see the financial benefits to getting rid (that doesn't mean I *want* to, btw). It does depend on a manager being able to pick well though, and then we become more dependent on picking a decent manager each time, then if we have our own academy up and running, semi-independently to the visible bits in the first team.

If we're capable of assuming this situation then they surely have IMO

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If we're capable of assuming this situation then they surely have IMO

Sure they have.

There's certainly an argument that as football tries to centralise itself (much as Rugby has done/is doing) then to keep an academy going at our level is swimming against the tide.

Could also argue Anderson has the ideal background to implement a non-academy driven future.

 

[wingy]

Sure they have.

There's certainly an argument that as football tries to centralise itself (much as Rugby has done/is doing) then to keep an academy going at our level is swimming against the tide.

Could also argue Anderson has the ideal background to implement a non-academy driven future.

Agreed!

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I've thought for a while they might find another method to an academy.

Truth be told, beyond the social benefits... I can see the financial benefits to getting rid (that doesn't mean I *want* to, btw). It does depend on a manager being able to pick well though, and then we become more dependent on picking a decent manager each time, then if we have our own academy up and running, semi-independently to the visible bits in the first team.

If we lose cat 2 I think we may as well abandon it, put the money into scouting and pluck the best 17 year olds from other academies for our development team.
You would probably have to set it up separate to the manager so each managerial change wouldn't affect it and have limited input.