duffer
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And so we're back onto diversion?
Which question was that, pray tell? Please God, don't let it be something about Corbyn again...
I’ve asked you one question 3 times and you’ve made no attempt to answer it
And so we're back onto diversion?
Which question was that, pray tell? Please God, don't let it be something about Corbyn again...
Also whataboutery is such an absurd term - a lazy euphemism to evade debate
No, it's absolutely the opposite, and it's something you engage in endlessly. What about Corbyn , what about Mandelson etc. etc.. It's a way of dodging answering the actual question when you're uncomfortable with it.
lol diversion another lazy cliche
I’ve repeatedly asked your view on Wolfowitz and the influence he and successors had on foreign policy - go on chuck another cliche out there
Anyway bored so Moscow now - please Putin more effort tomorrow
I’m a bit busy now but I’ll start a thread over the weekend
Also whataboutery is such an absurd term - a lazy euphemism to evade debate
How does this work then? What is an opinion and what is a dumbass opinion?Tell you what I’ll start another thread on this and I’ll give my opinion on this crises and how to resolve it
Then actually debate it - no twitter links no dumbass opinions from other sources but actual opinions and then we can have a sensible discussion and those who want to stay in the playground can stay here
There's your problem - equating winning with being right.So I’m always on the losing side at elections brexit and the continuation of capitalism - how depressing for me
You are morphing into PVA oh and I’m a bit busy now but I’ll start a thread over the weekend and I will have sensible discussions but frankly you’ve clearly no understanding at all here of post communist Russia and the circumstances the west - mainly the us obsession with a Cold War enemy and it’s subservient slavish obsession with Chinese economic growth at the expense of an attempt to embrace the capitalist growth in Russia - have resulted in creating Putin and his capability of creating a cold blast from the past of Stalinism
Oligarch is such a cool word but in the end means very little and I’m sure if a certain oligarch picked Highfield Road
over Stamford bridge there would be little complaint
I’ll give my view coldly with no links no social media drivel so it’s an actual debate based on opinions and knowledge
Imagine that
*crisis*Tell you what I’ll start another thread on this and I’ll give my opinion on this crises and how to resolve it
Then actually debate it - no twitter links no dumbass opinions from other sources but actual opinions and then we can have a sensible discussion and those who want to stay in the playground can stay here
Personally think Boris has done a decent job. Any other PM had so much to deal with in his term. Brexit, a anademic and now a potential world war 3. Thank god that idiot Corbyn never got in power or we really would be at the mercy of his communist pals
The fact you've spent so much time in that post saying how you're not a fan of johnson yet spent so much time defending him for the last few years shows that you both like to come on here to wind people up and you lack objectivity. "He's my side so I'll defend him"This post of course was met with collective mud pies from the usual gang but the overall sentiment makes me think this is worth a further discussion
Johnson came into this job as something of a figure of fun with a clownish reputation. I have never myself been a fan of Johnson more for his dribbling liberalism and his anti Tory stance
However Johnson has had more things to deal with than any other peace time Prime Minister. The brexit negotiations, Covid, the economic consequence of Covid abs now a real danger of Russian aggression
Of course there been issues, there always are going to be with someone like Johnson due to his cavalier nature. However in the broad sense Johnson has done well to deal with these crises and to maintain the economy and peoples morale. Remember he also has had his own personal stresses and trauma to deal with
The left will always spit and snarl but fortunately the majority of the country see through their lies and aggression. This was shown when the country returned Johnson with a huge majority in areas of the country where Tory was never an option before - they saw through the terrorist worshipping socialist and condemned him to oblivion
As I say I’m not naturally a Johnson fan but I suspect in the latest crises Johnson will see a return to popularity and be forgiven for his transgressions - he’s made a good start leading the way in the crises with Europe at last following his lead and looking like a true statesman compared to embarrassing pipsqueaks like macron
The real reason of course anyway is collectively we must breath a huge sigh of relief the dribbling indecisive euro whore Starmer is not at the helm. Even now Starmer breaks traditional protocol to try and point score at this time of crises
So although Johnson is not my type politically I have to admit I’m thankful and grateful he is PM against the other choices we have. Not a ringing endorsement but one I’m sure many people will silently agree with
The fact you've spent so much time in that post saying how you're not a fan of johnson yet spent so much time defending him for the last few years shows that you both like to come on here to wind people up and you lack objectivity. "He's my side so I'll defend him"
You talk about his personal stresses and traumas. All of which are of his own making. Affairs, divorces, lots of kids are because he acts impulsively and never considers the consequences of his actions. Not a good trait for anyone let alone the fucking Prime Minister!
His bout of Covid also his own fault because he didn't take it seriously despite being in the best position in the country to have access to the info to tell him he should. The huge impact it had on the nation was largely down to his failure to take it seriously and apply early measures to prevent it getting so bad, and then making it worse by using it as an excuse to enrich his mates and donors with contracts. Similarly we're now dragging our heels over Russian sanctions because he and those around him decided to take their roubles.
Brexit and all of the issues attached to it - again his own making because he followed it solely because of his own career ambitions, not because of his belief in it. And even now the entire situation is a shitfest with so many of the things he said would get easier having got worse in terms of red tape and duties and now wanting to renege on his own deal because it's not very good.
The fact you think he's better than Starmer shows that all that matters to you is the rosette they're wearing. Starmer may have the charisma of a wet blanket but at least he actually pays attention to what he's doing and can see what the implications of his actions might be.
He's the worst person at the worst possible time.
Starmer had covid (twice) but followed the rules. He's isolated more often than a hermit to follow those rules. Boris on the otherhand flouted them constantly and dismissed them as unimportant, shaking covid patients hands etc. despite being told in the strongest possible terms not to.his mother died you are even blaming him for that?
Starmer had Covid every 5 minutes was that his fault?
Starmer had covid (twice) but followed the rules. He's isolated more often than a hermit to follow those rules. Boris on the otherhand flouted them constantly and dismissed them as unimportant, shaking covid patients hands etc. despite being told in the strongest possible terms not to.
Fair enough about his mother. But given what we know of the rest of his family it's not the most sympathetic or caring of families. His father is a utter piece of shit and no doubt Boris' treatment of women stems from his father's attitude. He cheated on his then wife while she was undergoing cancer treatment so I don't think caring about those close to him is particularly important to him. He doesn't even acknowledge some of his kids and had to be forced by the legal system to acknowledge others. Even Boris' own siblings have called him 'utterly selfish' and a 'shit'. His sister Rachel clearly doesn't have a great deal of time for him and his brother Jo quit during his time as PM. Hardly a ringing endorsement of family.
Face it, he's a self-absorbed, self-indulgent buffoon who is where he is because of a privileged upbringing. If he were Bozza from a council estate you'd think of him as being a horrible little exploitative scrote.
And if he were wearing a red rosette instead of a blue one you'd be making all of these points and more.
Did you miss all those pictures of him inside, maskless and standing closer than two metres to those he was having meetings with? We saw what he thought of those rules with the parties so I wouldn't be at all surprised he was doing similar throughout the pandemic. I doubt he even changed his usual ways of doing things. That's for the little people, not the likes of him. Then not following advice, like not shaking people's hands.What rules did Johnson break when he caught Covid? Was he drinking beer and eating a takeaway with his chums?
Did you miss all those pictures of him inside, maskless and standing closer than two metres to those he was having meetings with? We saw what he thought of those rules with the parties so I wouldn't be at all surprised he was doing similar throughout the pandemic. I doubt he even changed his usual ways of doing things. That's for the little people, not the likes of him. Then not following advice, like not shaking people's hands.
Although I notice you're not actually arguing any of the points I made regarding his actions and conduct...
I specifically said it was advice. It was pointing out he had been told not to by top health experts, firstly for health reasons and secondly to set an example. He didn't give a shit about either.I did at the time post a picture of me macron embracing people the same day as Johnson - was it illegal to then shake hands or just advice?
Sadly you have a massive chip on your shoulder
whataboutery is such an absurd term - a lazy euphemism to evade debate
This post of course was met with collective mud pies from the usual gang but the overall sentiment makes me think this is worth a further discussion
Johnson came into this job as something of a figure of fun with a clownish reputation. I have never myself been a fan of Johnson more for his dribbling liberalism and his anti Tory stance
However Johnson has had more things to deal with than any other peace time Prime Minister. The brexit negotiations, Covid, the economic consequence of Covid abs now a real danger of Russian aggression
Of course there been issues, there always are going to be with someone like Johnson due to his cavalier nature. However in the broad sense Johnson has done well to deal with these crises and to maintain the economy and peoples morale. Remember he also has had his own personal stresses and trauma to deal with
The left will always spit and snarl but fortunately the majority of the country see through their lies and aggression. This was shown when the country returned Johnson with a huge majority in areas of the country where Tory was never an option before - they saw through the terrorist worshipping socialist and condemned him to oblivion
As I say I’m not naturally a Johnson fan but I suspect in the latest crises Johnson will see a return to popularity and be forgiven for his transgressions - he’s made a good start leading the way in the crises with Europe at last following his lead and looking like a true statesman compared to embarrassing pipsqueaks like macron
The real reason of course anyway is collectively we must breath a huge sigh of relief the dribbling indecisive euro whore Starmer is not at the helm. Even now Starmer breaks traditional protocol to try and point score at this time of crises
So although Johnson is not my type politically I have to admit I’m thankful and grateful he is PM against the other choices we have. Not a ringing endorsement but one I’m sure many people will silently agree with
During Boris Johnson's time as Mayor of London, I worked on some projects with him and found him to be:
1. Lazy - he could never be bothered to read briefing notes.
2. Lacking concentration in meetings.
3. Not particularly intelligent.
4. Couldn't cope with detail.
4. Not a collaborative worker.
Basically, not someone I could ever employ.
No.were you present when he said 'fuck the families' regarding the inquiry into the 7/7 terrorist attacks?
Grendel well put however your wasting your breath on here as the usual lefty hypocrites will shoot you down because you dont conform to their way of thinking. You only have to look at some of the posts about Tories, gammons, BLM, pulling down statues etc etc to see that this forum isnt about our club but a bunch of left wing bullies who love to shout anyone down and use the race card to enforce their single minded hatred of anyone who dares stand up against them.This post of course was met with collective mud pies from the usual gang but the overall sentiment makes me think this is worth a further discussion
Johnson came into this job as something of a figure of fun with a clownish reputation. I have never myself been a fan of Johnson more for his dribbling liberalism and his anti Tory stance
However Johnson has had more things to deal with than any other peace time Prime Minister. The brexit negotiations, Covid, the economic consequence of Covid abs now a real danger of Russian aggression
Of course there been issues, there always are going to be with someone like Johnson due to his cavalier nature. However in the broad sense Johnson has done well to deal with these crises and to maintain the economy and peoples morale. Remember he also has had his own personal stresses and trauma to deal with
The left will always spit and snarl but fortunately the majority of the country see through their lies and aggression. This was shown when the country returned Johnson with a huge majority in areas of the country where Tory was never an option before - they saw through the terrorist worshipping socialist and condemned him to oblivion
As I say I’m not naturally a Johnson fan but I suspect in the latest crises Johnson will see a return to popularity and be forgiven for his transgressions - he’s made a good start leading the way in the crises with Europe at last following his lead and looking like a true statesman compared to embarrassing pipsqueaks like macron
The real reason of course anyway is collectively we must breath a huge sigh of relief the dribbling indecisive euro whore Starmer is not at the helm. Even now Starmer breaks traditional protocol to try and point score at this time of crises
So although Johnson is not my type politically I have to admit I’m thankful and grateful he is PM against the other choices we have. Not a ringing endorsement but one I’m sure many people will silently agree with
I agree. I shy away from politics on here - there’s no point. I can say that there are decent left wing folk and then there are hard left twunts. Similarly there are far right morons.Grendel well put however your wasting your breath on here as the usual lefty hypocrites will shoot you down because you dont conform to their way of thinking. You only have to look at some of the posts about Tories, gammons, BLM, pulling down statues etc etc to see that this forum isnt about our club but a bunch of left wing bullies who love to shout anyone down and use the race card to enforce their single minded hatred of anyone who dares stand up against them.
i think this forum needs to be re branded the momentum forum and the usual suspects will now jump on this and prove me right
Grendel well put however your wasting your breath on here as the usual lefty hypocrites will shoot you down because you dont conform to their way of thinking. You only have to look at some of the posts about Tories, gammons, BLM, pulling down statues etc etc to see that this forum isnt about our club but a bunch of left wing bullies who love to shout anyone down and use the race card to enforce their single minded hatred of anyone who dares stand up against them.
i think this forum needs to be re branded the momentum forum and the usual suspects will now jump on this and prove me right
To make real change get down in the dirt.
Don’t think so, government can sanction but they can’t steal the business or any business and flog it If Abramovic throws his teddy out of the pram and doesn’t walk away from Chelsea with nothing Chelsea are likely buggered.My original message bizarrely becomes less weird.
The sale of Chelsea is now down to Boris it seems.
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I agree. I shy away from politics on here - there’s no point. I can say that there are decent left wing folk and then there are hard left twunts. Similarly there are far right morons.
Sensible, slightly centre right folks tend to get hammered by lefty keyboard twirlers who often use multiple accounts to feign consensus. I’ve over 20000 followers on Twitter and the abuse I used to get was incredible. It makes 3/4 laughing emojis on here seem exactly what it is:
Nothing.
If you want to make change politically then foaming on here, Twitter, Insta, Facebook is ok, but really an echochamber.
I was given the chance of a winnable Westminster seat last election but yellowed out (kids, business etc - decided that living / travelling to London is a load of garble) To make real change get down in the dirt. I did and have done so for a few years. Now, I get involved with the Bank of England decision Maker Panel, Write for the Government Policy Forum, get on to charity boards and lots more that would make me sound like a bragging Tosser.
Admin on here can reach out for proof if they need.
What I can say is that rather than spout shite on here, if you feel passionate then get involved, join Labour, TUSC, Libs, Tory and get active and don’t waste your time trying to browbeat a few people on here.
This forum is for moaning about Waghorn and being exasperated that Sheaf has dithered on the ball again - not Boris v Corbyn v Starmer v Farage
A good number of the forum's 'loony left' do just that.
Who knows.Don’t think so, government can sanction but they can’t steal the business or any business and flog it If Abramovic throws his teddy out of the pram and doesn’t walk away from Chelsea with nothing Chelsea are likely buggered.
As we speak one of his multi-million pound yachts is in the mid-atlantic on its way to the Caribbean probably to a Russian friendly destination, Cuba perhaps so self preservation is paramount for him.
Another problem Chelsea have is they have huge debts and on the football side add to those debts each year.
Chelsea’s wage bill is £28 million a month, hard to pay with no income.
Another problem will be other clubs especially in Europe I don’t think Chelsea are the only club with Russian money backing them.
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