Brighton Sky Blue
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It’s just the white knight holding out for a lower price and Derby knowing the EFL won’t bother to sanction them
This is on the BBC this morning:-
Derby County have angered Manchester City by blocking their attempt to sign goalkeeper Scott Carson on a permanent deal. The Championship club want to collect a loan fee for the 35-year-old Englishman this month.
Man City want to make Carson's deal permanent now but Derby need the £500k loan fee due this month to allow them to pay outstanding wages. I know Man City have no preordained right to demand Derby release a player to them but the fact that a club of their supposed resources with a takeover imminent is relying on a loan fee to meet their obligations is startling.
As others have said in the past, the first people knew of the Chelsea & Man City takeovers was when the deal had gone through and the new owners were being introduced to the press. Takeovers that have so much reported on them before the event tend to go awry - just look at Newcastle, or closer to home, us with Hoffman et al.
Ah right, so not successive. It was a shit storm down there for a while. The bloke Gaydamaark, who took over from mandaric, was funded by his dad. Who made his money arms dealing. No idea why he stopped funding them...just as prem money was going super crazy.No points deduction for Pompey first time round in 1998. 9 points in 2010. Nothing when the parent company went into admin in 2011, Southampton fans weren't happy as they got a points deduction for the same thing. 10 points in 2012. They were all seperate administrations though, don't think they had two dedections for the same admin at any point.
We got one for going into admin and another when ACL turned down the CVA turned down didn't we? Even through we had to pay off the debts anyway as a condition of league entry.
Thanks Chief ! Was not aware of the detailNo points deduction for Pompey first time round in 1998. 9 points in 2010. Nothing when the parent company went into admin in 2011, Southampton fans weren't happy as they got a points deduction for the same thing. 10 points in 2012. They were all seperate administrations though, don't think they had two dedections for the same admin at any point.
We got one for going into admin and another when ACL turned down the CVA turned down didn't we? Even through we had to pay off the debts anyway as a condition of league entry.
Was it 3 successive season as wellDid Pompey get away with it? Pretty sure they were docked points for successive seasons.
Thanks Chief ! Was not aware of the detail
Could argue more because Dabo is class, Hyam is a good ball playing CB could get a bit for him and Marosi is a really good goalkeeperIMO for those 6 we would get at least £7m combined
There was a table of club’s team values last week, ours totalled £15.7m second lowest to Wycombe and about the same as Rotherham
Absolute madness that was. Giving a lame duck like Bell an enhanced deal was on par with giving Bakayoko a new deal last summer.The argument players values enhance the companies ability to attract buyers anyway is odd as you Would only realise those values if you sold - which would depreciate the clubs worth under that argument
This was the dumb argument Deliu had when he decided to give huge lengthy contracts to the likes of Bell, Mcsheffrey and Baker on some notion it would enhance the balance sheet
Our league standing gives us value in terms of semi-guaranteed tv / league revenue, probable sponsorship income etc.Our playing staff are liabilities not assets.
We have to pay them if we play or not,
and 6 of them are loans, so cost us money but have zero value, as for the rest, they cost us each week, while the value of their contracts decreases each week. And the transfer value of most of them is zero. (You couldnt give away Baka, Biamou, kastaneer, or Pask)
As for the rest, their combined worth is very little, only Hamer and Godden are really worth anything.
Maybe, but to offset the cost of contracts is the guaranteed TV / EFL prize income, even if we were to be relegated for the next two seasons. It’s about £8m champ, £4m L1, £3m L2. (might be wrong).Our playing staff are liabilities not assets.
We have to pay them if we play or not,
and 6 of them are loans, so cost us money but have zero value, as for the rest, they cost us each week, while the value of their contracts decreases each week. And the transfer value of most of them is zero. (You couldnt give away Baka, Biamou, kastaneer, or Pask)
As for the rest, their combined worth is very little, only Hamer and Godden are really worth anything.
Hyam is not a good ball playing CB. He gets himself trapped on the left side touchline, gets closed down and ends up putting it out for a throw.Could argue more because Dabo is class, Hyam is a good ball playing CB could get a bit for him and Marosi is a really good goalkeeper
Have you been watching a different Hyam?Hyam is not a good ball playing CB. He gets himself trapped on the left side touchline, gets closed down and ends up putting it out for a throw.
Hyam is not a good ball playing CB. He gets himself trapped on the left side touchline, gets closed down and ends up putting it out for a throw.
Agreed.I think a lot of that is down to him being right footed. We could do with a left footed centre back at some point with the system we play.
I think a lot of that is down to him being right footed. We could do with a left footed centre back at some point with the system we play.
Agree with this to an extent. We certainly need a left footed defender in Hyam's position in order to balance the back line but his main issue isn't that he's right footed - it's that he neither has the technical ability nor athleticism to bring the ball out from the back at this level.
Hence why it baffles as to why he continues to make a point of bringing the ball out from the back as more often than not he loses the ball or makes a wayward pass whilst under pressure that puts us on the back foot/in danger.
I think it's also starting to become apparent that the opposition are specifically instructed to close him down once he attempts at bringing the ball forward as well. I'd wager that Hyam's weakness in this department is regularly identified by opposition performance analysts/managers in the match preparation process when coming up against us.
Have you been watching a different Hyam?
No. Seems it’s just you that thinks he is Franz Beckenbauer with the ball at his feet.Have you been watching a different Hyam?
Hyam has been caught in 2 minds quite frequently just lately, he generally starts the game quite well but seems to lose fitness quickly as the game wears on, his out balls tend to be played blindly tooHyam is not a good ball playing CB. He gets himself trapped on the left side touchline, gets closed down and ends up putting it out for a throw.
Absolute madness that was. Giving a lame duck like Bell an enhanced deal was on par with giving Bakayoko a new deal last summer.
Hyam has been caught in 2 minds quite frequently just lately, he generally starts the game quite well but seems to lose fitness quickly as the game wears on, his out balls tend to be played blindly too
Gutted press. But still if they are paying him 90k how are they getting round FFP
Our league standing gives us value in terms of semi-guaranteed tv / league revenue, probable sponsorship income etc.
£8m? This year
Maybe, but to offset the cost of contracts is the guaranteed TV / EFL prize income, even if we were to be relegated for the next two seasons. It’s about £8m champ, £4m L1, £3m L2. (might be wrong).
If we’ve got a wage bill of £4m with average 2 years left then we still are in front.
I know that’s all very sketchy but it’s the league status that gives the “Golden Share” it’s value. How Otium value that, value the players and the rest of it means that any accounts are open to any scrutiny and don’t mean a lot.
£8m?
Maybe
(might be wrong)
very sketchy
Have I missed something?Nobody gave Baka a new deal last year though.
Have I missed something?
Well whatever way it was written into the contract then. Ok I’ll rephrase-the clause shouldn’t have been in there. 2 years in itself is enough to see if a punt on a player will pay off.We triggered an extension in his existing deal
I don’t get this at all. How does getting wages paid directly from a third party work? What’s to stop any club from saying to their sponsors “don’t sponsor us, just pay for someone’s wages” if it’s that simple to circumvent the FFP rules?Because a gambling company is putting up the wages
I don’t get this at all. How does getting wages paid directly from a third party work? What’s to stop any club from saying to their sponsors “don’t sponsor us, just pay for someone’s wages” if it’s that simple to circumvent the FFP rules?
Well whatever way it was written into the contract then. Ok I’ll rephrase-the clause shouldn’t have been in there. 2 years in itself is enough to see if a punt on a player will pay off.
Ah I see-fair point.Point was more that he’ll have been on peanuts compared to anyone we brought in.
Well whatever way it was written into the contract then. Ok I’ll rephrase-the clause shouldn’t have been in there. 2 years in itself is enough to see if a punt on a player will pay off.
A club without a stadium in its home city is hardly attractive to investors, neither will be getting ripped off by a franchise rugby club to use their stadium.We are a league higher, have more revenue streams, more attractive proposition to investors, greater goodwill.
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