Divided we fall ...... (1 Viewer)

[oldskyblue58]

United we rise, divided we fall .............goes the expression

Dont think there has ever been a time when I have seen CCFC fans so divided. To me it is the saddest part of this whole dispute. It seems like a runaway train gathering pace. The less hope there is the more the speed of that train (division) increases.

It is one thing to have banter on a forum about a difference of opinion, to see things differently. However the recent week 10 days has seen something deeper developing. It isnt a case of its the guys on the Hill, or its the ones in Sixfields, they are all as far as i can make out just as bad as each other for name calling and comments. Name calling and abuse that spills over or perhaps originated on forums, blogs, facebook, twitter etc. Creates division

It doesnt help when local media portray things that in essence were not as bad as the headline. It could have got out of hand but it didnt, Fans were not fighting and from what i read it was handbags at 20 paces after the team lost. Is it right to abuse those going in - No but then again it isnt right to abuse those on the Hill either. We all make choices as to what suits us best..... not going to say supporting the team ..... dress it up anyway that makes you feel better but it really does boil down to a personal choice as to what suits each individual best go or dont go - the team will still be there. This spat between Reid, Michael and others only serves to create bigger divides, polarise more opinion..... might not have been the intention guys but it is the result. Why is it necessary why is it important? We, they, everyone is adding to the divide

Joys statement, I hesitate to call it an interview because it came over to me as a statement, polarised opinion more. There was precious little in it for the fans, plenty of tough talking, beligerent attitude. I am inclined to agree with NW's post here the other day in many ways..... it was not PR for the fans JS had other targets in mind, and the need to reaffirm the SISU core values. But it was still in some ways PR, it did say to fans we are tough focussed and wont be shifted easily. But it left more questions than answers and therefore more argument and division

SISU- there appears no real desire to unite. The target is a stadium not a growing strong band of supporters. The situation with getting tickets with the website being down, the promises of this site or that for the new stadium but we want the Ricoh ownership, the confusing and contradictory statements etc etc etc all break down the cohesion. Is divide and conquer a strategy here? Has the link to most fans been broken?

ACL, CCC for different reasons stay quiet. Gone is the hope that they can make something happen with CCFC. Frustration with no solution channels increasing blame in their direction by some. Some see it ACL's way, others completely against, most are 50 shades of middle. Arguments over white elephants or not just divide opinion more, that suits some I guess but serves no real purpose. But it creates cracks in the cohesion of fans

Misinformation rules. Clubs must own freeholds, and other such gems raises debate that chips at fractures because it comes down to disrespect and abuse not fact and agreement

Then you get interviews with the likes of Labovitch which to be honest only served, in amongst the claims of being an independent director, to confuse more. Confusion simply divides opinion, divides support. Fisher says little but has served in the past to confuse many with contrary statements.

The Trust KCIC NOPM etc can do little to change the mind of the parties that matter in a solution. It isnt really a matter of leadership, the only area they can unite is the fans and they are so divided, battered and bruised by it all that Kissinger would be hard pressed to get a united front. With the club now so far away there is no local focus to target many of the fans. Fans campaigns are often good to make fans feel better but do they achieve more often than not? do or will they change decision makers minds if not isnt it a recipe for frustration and division? What are the expectations?

Fans. Who is the better fan those that go or those that dont? Answer neither they are both just fans of CCFC. But such distinction creates cracks in a once proud and strong SBA. The worry is that these cracks will be last a long time, fester away and drive fans away from the club. There is already a large number of youngsters making other choices what happens when they grow up and have kids will their thoughts turn to CCFC?

It isnt a battle of personalties, egos, reputation etc though is it

All i see now is fracture and discord .............. and i do not see that healing quickly or soon........ i think there is a whole lot of people who will leave it to fester and simply walk away for now

I am fed up of it all to be honest...... all i ever wanted to do was support my team as best i can, when i can in Coventry first and foremost. Real damage is being done to our club and we are all involved

* edit - the only place there seems to be unity across the spectrum of views is that the football league have been seen to be not up to the task

just an opinion

 

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[Matty_CCFC]

As always Oldskyblue a very well put opinion and you have my respect.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

And an opinion which is shared by many others OSB, the problem we have at our door step is how do we draw the line in the sand and move forward as a unit? Even if we moved back to the Ricoh tomorrow and the Arena was bought by SISU at a fair price and we were in the Premier League within three years there will still be divisions.

This has been caused by one group in my personal opinion but it's time to drop the blame game and hope that SISU can pull this round for the sake of their business (our club) and their customers (the fans).

 

[aloisiwouldhavescored]

Very well said OSB. Couldn't have put it better myself.

United we rise, divided we fall .............goes the expression

Dont think there has ever been a time when I have seen CCFC fans so divided. To me it is the saddest part of this whole dispute. It seems like a runaway train gathering pace. The less hope there is the more the speed of that train (division) increases.

It is one thing to have banter on a forum about a difference of opinion, to see things differently. However the recent week 10 days has seen something deeper developing. It isnt a case of its the guys on the Hill, or its the ones in Sixfields, they are all as far as i can make out just as bad as each other for name calling and comments. Name calling and abuse that spills over or perhaps originated on forums, blogs, facebook, twitter etc. Creates division

It doesnt help when local media portray things that in essence were not as bad as the headline. It could have got out of hand but it didnt, Fans were not fighting and from what i read it was handbags at 20 paces after the team lost. Is it right to abuse those going in - No but then again it isnt right to abuse those on the Hill either. We all make choices as to what suits us best..... not going to say supporting the team ..... dress it up anyway that makes you feel better but it really does boil down to a personal choice as to what suits each individual best go or dont go - the team will still be there. This spat between Reid, Michael and others only serves to create bigger divides, polarise more opinion..... might not have been the intention guys but it is the result. Why is it necessary why is it important? We, they, everyone is adding to the divide

Joys statement, I hesitate to call it an interview because it came over to me as a statement, polarised opinion more. There was precious little in it for the fans, plenty of tough talking, beligerent attitude. I am inclined to agree with NW's post here the other day in many ways..... it was not PR for the fans JS had other targets in mind, and the need to reaffirm the SISU core values. But it was still in some ways PR, it did say to fans we are tough focussed and wont be shifted easily. But it left more questions than answers and therefore more argument and division

SISU- there appears no real desire to unite. The target is a stadium not a growing strong band of supporters. The situation with getting tickets with the website being down, the promises of this site or that for the new stadium but we want the Ricoh ownership, the confusing and contradictory statements etc etc etc all break down the cohesion. Is divide and conquer a strategy here? Has the link to most fans been broken?

ACL, CCC for different reasons stay quiet. Gone is the hope that they can make something happen with CCFC. Frustration with no solution channels increasing blame in their direction by some. Some see it ACL's way, others completely against, most are 50 shades of middle. Arguments over white elephants or not just divide opinion more, that suits some I guess but serves no real purpose. But it creates cracks in the cohesion of fans

Misinformation rules. Clubs must own freeholds, and other such gems raises debate that chips at fractures because it comes down to disrespect and abuse not fact and agreement

Then you get interviews with the likes of Labovitch which to be honest only served, in amongst the claims of being an independent director, to confuse more. Confusion simply divides opinion, divides support. Fisher says little but has served in the past to confuse many with contrary statements.

The Trust KCIC NOPM etc can do little to change the mind of the parties that matter in a solution. It isnt really a matter of leadership, the only area they can unite is the fans and they are so divided, battered and bruised by it all that Kissinger would be hard pressed to get a united front. With the club now so far away there is no local focus to target many of the fans. Fans campaigns are often good to make fans feel better but do they achieve more often than not? do or will they change decision makers minds if not isnt it a recipe for frustration and division? What are the expectations?

Fans. Who is the better fan those that go or those that dont? Answer neither they are both just fans of CCFC. But such distinction creates cracks in a once proud and strong SBA. The worry is that these cracks will be last a long time, fester away and drive fans away from the club. There is already a large number of youngsters making other choices what happens when they grow up and have kids will their thoughts turn to CCFC?

It isnt a battle of personalties, egos, reputation etc though is it

All i see now is fracture and discord .............. and i do not see that healing quickly or soon........ i think there is a whole lot of people who will leave it to fester and simply walk away for now

I am fed up of it all to be honest...... all i ever wanted to do was support my team as best i can, when i can in Coventry first and foremost. Real damage is being done to our club and we are all involved

just an opinion

 

[singers_pore]

I totally agree. I really think that all fans need to direct their angst and opprobrium towards those who they feel are most responsible.

So those who hold TF and JS most accountable should be doing everything they can to to put pressure on TF and JS.

Likewise, those who hold ACL and CCC most accountable should be doing everything they can to to put pressure on ACL and CCC.

It's clear to me that we need two pressure groups each representing the above two constituencies. I think the anti-SISU group will be by far the largest, but hey ho that's democracy for you.

I also feel that - as fans - we have been far too accommodating and peaceful in our protests. The fans clearly should never resort to any sort of violence. But I do think that the main protagonists (SISU/ACL/whoever) are getting away very lightly with minimal personal discomfort to themselves.

Above all, we need to stop fighting with each other and recognize that we all have different opinions. The key point is that those opinions need to be directed against those who have influence over the future of CCFC. That will be much better than arguing among ourselves.

 

[Ashdown1]

There is only one solution and that is for SISU to attempt to sell what is left of the club and for that buyer to re-unite the club by purchasing the stadium and all of the revenue rights that that complex can offer. Reality is, SISU and the twisted bitch that heads that immoral disgusting organisation have a point to prove to watching potential investors. The other reality is sadly that almost any other buyer unless a consortium of loyal Sky Blues would not necessarily guarantee to let the club benefit from the footfall that it generates either. The tragedy is also that for considerably less than half the price of one player sale to Real Madrid this summer the whole shooting match could be sorted out and the club put on the road to a firm financial footing for years to come.
Some will say the only other solution is for the City and its fans to cave in and let Seppalla have everything and throw our mercy on SISU and hope they don't just bleed it all dry and leave the dried up corpse still penniless and homeless at the end of it anyway. Not for me thanks, not until these scum have packed up and gone back to Mayfair for good, they represent all that is going wrong with the world and the longer this goes on surely I won't be on my own !!

 

[blueflint]

There is only one solution and that is for SISU to attempt to sell what is left of the club and for that buyer to re-unite the club by purchasing the stadium and all of the revenue rights that that complex can offer. Reality is, SISU and the twisted bitch that heads that immoral disgusting organisation have a point to prove to watching potential investors. The other reality is sadly that almost any other buyer unless a consortium of loyal Sky Blues would not necessarily guarantee to let the club benefit from the footfall that it generates either. The tragedy is also that for considerably less than half the price of one player sale to Real Madrid this summer the whole shooting match could be sorted out and the club put on the road to a firm financial footing for years to come.
Some will say the only other solution is for the City and its fans to cave in and let Seppalla have everything and throw our mercy on SISU and hope they don't just bleed it all dry and leave the dried up corpse still penniless and homeless at the end of it anyway. Not for me thanks, not until these scum have packed up and gone back to Mayfair for good, they represent all that is going wrong with the world and the longer this goes on surely I won't be on my own !!

your not alone as i agree with you 100% just want my club back

 

[Hobo]

I don't think we are as divided as some make out. If we all put forward our best SKy Blue eleven they would all be different.

The difference at the momento is we all fear so much f,or the future of the club. We are frightened one or another's actions could assist in jeapordising it further.

If fans stopped blaming each other, realise we all follow this club and it means something to us all equally. Then that would be a start.

We need somebody to grasp the nettle and bring the club back together as one club/stadium representing Coventry in Coventry.

Unti that time the supporters should respect each other and respect that as customers to the club we all have freedom of choice on how we follow the club and what games and venues we attend.

 

[sky blue john]

I actually feel more optimistic after the js statement / interview and Labovich on the radio yesterday !!!!
Only by the combination of these two events i feel Sisu are crumbling and getting a little desperate !!!!
It might not take to much more of a push !!!!
I'm extremely confident that Sisu are not prepared to fund us and build a stadium over the next 3-5 years. It doesn't make economic sense with only 1500 season ticket fans !!!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they are flogging a dead horse !!!
There is a future for ccfc but only once Sisu are prepared to cut their losses or bring us back to the Ricoh !!!

 

[thaiskyblue]

I actually feel more optimistic after the js statement / interview and Labovich on the radio yesterday !!!!
Only by the combination of these two events i feel Sisu are crumbling and getting a little desperate !!!!
It might not take to much more of a push !!!!
I'm extremely confident that Sisu are not prepared to fund us and build a stadium over the next 3-5 years. It doesn't make economic sense with only 1500 season ticket fans !!!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they are flogging a dead horse !!!
There is a future for ccfc but only once Sisu are prepared to cut their losses or bring us back to the Ricoh !!!

perfect scenario sbj, alas i feel many twists and turns to come, hold on tight.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I actually feel more optimistic after the js statement / interview and Labovich on the radio yesterday !!!!
Only by the combination of these two events i feel Sisu are crumbling and getting a little desperate !!!!
It might not take to much more of a push !!!!
I'm extremely confident that Sisu are not prepared to fund us and build a stadium over the next 3-5 years. It doesn't make economic sense with only 1500 season ticket fans !!!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they are flogging a dead horse !!!
There is a future for ccfc but only once Sisu are prepared to cut their losses or bring us back to the Ricoh !!!

Okay lets say for a moment your right !!! how much do you think they will sell us for !!! I doubt it will be cheaply !!! what guarantees are there that in the future any potential buyer could reunite us with the Arena !!! get my point !!!

 

[SIR ERNIE]

My take for what it’s worth is that Seppala revels in her reputation as a fearsome, win-at-all-costs woman. Losing is not an option for her. That’s bad news for anyone who doesn’t buckle to her demands and as we know in this case, really bad news for Sky Blues fans, because it means that the football club is held hostage against those demands. It stinks.

However. My firm belief is that she is very worried by the way things are developing here. ACL/CCC are not budging and crucially, the fans (or more accurately 80% of them) are refusing to be treated like mindless morons and are not paying to watch the team in Northampton. I think it’s highly likely that she’s also under increasing pressure from her investors and for the first time her judgement is coming under serious scrutiny.

I think that whilst as fans we are right to be very concerned about the future of our Club, we must also recognise that a certain amount of panic must be developing on SISU’s side of the fence.

The next few months will be very revealing with the JR and the transfer window. My bet is that SISU will drastically cut the wage bill at the earliest opportunity. The weakened team will struggle and crowds at Sixfields will average no more than 2,000.

Things will get worse for the fans but they’ll also get very bad for Seppala.

I reckon she already wishes she’d never heard of Coventry City.

Come January she could be seriously looking for a way out.

 

[thaiskyblue]

My take for what it’s worth is that Seppala revels in her reputation as a fearsome, win-at-all-costs woman. Losing is not an option for her. That’s bad news for anyone who doesn’t buckle to her demands and as we know in this case, really bad news for Sky Blues fans, because it means that the football club is held hostage against those demands. It stinks.

However. My firm belief is that she is very worried by the way things are developing here. ACL/CCC are not budging and crucially, the fans (or more accurately 80% of them) are refusing to be treated like mindless morons and are not paying to watch the team in Northampton. I think it’s highly likely that she’s also under increasing pressure from her investors and for the first time her judgement is coming under serious scrutiny.

I think that whilst as fans we are right to be very concerned about the future of our Club, we must also recognise that a certain amount of panic must be developing on SISU’s side of the fence.

The next few months will be very revealing with the JR and the transfer window. My bet is that SISU will drastically cut the wage bill at the earliest opportunity. The weakened team will struggle and crowds at Sixfields will average no more than 2,000.

Things will get worse for the fans but they’ll also get very bad for Seppala.

I reckon she already wishes she’d never heard of Coventry City.

Come January she could be seriously looking for a way out.

agreed apart from the crowd i reckon 1000 tops. nopm.

 

[Spionkop]

This from Singers_pore....."I also feel that - as fans - we have been far too accommodating and peaceful in our protests. The fans clearly should never resort to any sort of violence. But I do think that the main protagonists (SISU/ACL/whoever) are getting away very lightly with minimal personal discomfort to themselves."

That to me says it all. Forgive me if I've misinterpreted you Singers - direct action, peaceful but very direct. Disruption of games. A few ran on the pitch at Crawley first game of the season. I watched from the side stand and willed the 1200 or so to follow them. It didn't happen. It was a missed opportunity. In the days that followed those few were ridiculed on here. I don't know the pitch invaders but to me they were trying to bring attention to our plight. They were mocked.
First 'home' game I hoped for a mass pitch invasion - peaceful - sit in the centre for 5 minutes and leave. I wasn't in the ground so can't speak from first hand. It seems only the passive fan turned up. And in the 'home' games since. Disappointing.
There are no legal, smart suited ways us fans can protest. This, for me, is the only way. It will get noticed. It doesn't have to be a crowd of yobs. I'm thinking more Mahatma than anything. Peaceful. But it hasn't happened.
I don't think calling people scabs as they come out of the ground is good. I might think they are, and I do. But I wouldn't get my handbag out. It's got to be peaceful.
I'm waiting for the younger element to do something. Peacefully.
Writing emails isn't going to work.
For once I don't agree with OSB, he always talks sense and his posts are ones I read very carefully, but this time I disagree, I don't think us fans are divided. The attendances (doctored as they undoubtedly are) at Sixfields tell us that. It's a 90% + stayaway. A bit of squabbling on here isn't representative. The silent majority have voted with their feet.
Direct action at 'home' games is required. Hey, if me a 60 something old guy can contemplate it.
Of course, if all fans were to register their disgust at playing games in Northampton (and I believe those in the ground don't like it either) by staying away - then the job would be done.
Sisu are the ones to blame. They and only they made the conscious decision to move our club to Northampton. They didn't negotiate as they should have. Instead used bully boy tactics. We have to fight fire with fire.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

OP, beautifully written and I agree with what you said.

But, at the end of the day it takes us no further forward than we were before you wrote it. I don't know what the answer is but we are all pulling in different directions and the whole situation is fast becoming a laughing stock.

 

[sky blue john]

You have to ask the question what revenue is ccfc surviving off ?
The season ticket money that the sixfields stadium 1500 have handed over will have been spent by now !!!!
They will be getting some away fans ticket money but that's only once every couple of weeks and not enough to run the club !!!
So every week Sisu will be putting investors money what for the next 3-5 years, on top of costs of a new stadium and on top of massive legal costs for the JR paying both sides.
Also they have to shell out 1.5 million to come out of administration. I don't know if that figure includes PA fees.
With all this in mind they must be under massive pressure to come up with a solution !!!!!

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Don't forget the £1m to the FL for not taking CCFC back to Coventry/building a new Stadium inside 5 years.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

RoboCCFC90....Okay lets say for a moment your right !!! how much do you think they will sell us for !!! I doubt it will be cheaply !!! what guarantees are there that in the future any potential buyer could reunite us with the Arena !!! get my point !!!..............................................................................As opposed to never coming back to Coventry under SISU?

 

[skybluebal]

I don't agree the fans are as divided as some think, if 80%-90% have voted by not going to Sixfields then thats pretty much unity. As I have said before, you will never get 100% "unity" so we should stop suggesting the fans are not united.

Again, it is a minority that has made the news (hyped up by journalism) regarding the "fighting" outside Sixfields. How big was this minority? 5, 10, 15 people? and there was no actual fighting and no one charged by the Police. That hardly leads to the conclusion that there is a huge division in the fans. I've seen similar arguments in the Ricoh between people!

Let everyone support the team as they wish, that's their right to do so without malice from anyone. Let everyone protest as they wish to in a peaceful way. Violence will alienate those that we need support from (other fans, the Police, the media). The >80% of the fan base will not go to Sixfields but will be aiming to sell out all the Away game allocations to support the team.

SISU will go nowhere until they decide they can't live with the losses anymore - they are a business so the only way is to starve them of revenue and cash-flow = NOPM.

Its been suggested that a new owner could unite the club and the ground, but what's to stop them behaving in the same way as SISU with the same objectives? CCC has to find a way to protect CCFC+ground as an entity separate from any re-development for the land around the arena. If they can do that, then there is a way for SISU (however much we may not like it) to bring the club back to the Ricoh. That will be a massive positive step and the best PR SISU could ever deliver.

A few milestones to watch: 1. The JR appeal, 2. The January transfer window. These will give the real indication of what might happen to CCFC over the rest of the season and the following one.

 

[skybluefred]

Okay lets say for a moment your right !!! how much do you think they will sell us for !!! I doubt it will be cheaply !!! what guarantees are there that in the future any potential buyer could reunite us with the Arena !!! get my point !!!

What do Sisu have to sell.No Stadia, a few seasoned pro's and a promising bunch of lads who may or may not make the grade.Add on Ryton and that's your lot. Worth about £3m to £5 at best,

Sisu will not sell for that sort of money, although they will keep losing money hand over fist.Eventually their investors will
force the issue by withdrawing their money,and that cannot happen soon enough for me.

 

[play_in_skyblue_stripes]

This from Singers_pore....."I also feel that - as fans - we have been far too accommodating and peaceful in our protests. The fans clearly should never resort to any sort of violence. But I do think that the main protagonists (SISU/ACL/whoever) are getting away very lightly with minimal personal discomfort to themselves."

That to me says it all. Forgive me if I've misinterpreted you Singers - direct action, peaceful but very direct. Disruption of games. A few ran on the pitch at Crawley first game of the season. I watched from the side stand and willed the 1200 or so to follow them. It didn't happen. It was a missed opportunity. In the days that followed those few were ridiculed on here. I don't know the pitch invaders but to me they were trying to bring attention to our plight. They were mocked.
First 'home' game I hoped for a mass pitch invasion - peaceful - sit in the centre for 5 minutes and leave. I wasn't in the ground so can't speak from first hand. It seems only the passive fan turned up. And in the 'home' games since. Disappointing.
There are no legal, smart suited ways us fans can protest. This, for me, is the only way. It will get noticed. It doesn't have to be a crowd of yobs. I'm thinking more Mahatma than anything. Peaceful. But it hasn't happened.
I don't think calling people scabs as they come out of the ground is good. I might think they are, and I do. But I wouldn't get my handbag out. It's got to be peaceful.
I'm waiting for the younger element to do something. Peacefully.
Writing emails isn't going to work.
For once I don't agree with OSB, he always talks sense and his posts are ones I read very carefully, but this time I disagree, I don't think us fans are divided. The attendances (doctored as they undoubtedly are) at Sixfields tell us that. It's a 90% + stayaway. A bit of squabbling on here isn't representative. The silent majority have voted with their feet.
Direct action at 'home' games is required. Hey, if me a 60 something old guy can contemplate it.
Of course, if all fans were to register their disgust at playing games in Northampton (and I believe those in the ground don't like it either) by staying away - then the job would be done.
Sisu are the ones to blame. They and only they made the conscious decision to move our club to Northampton. They didn't negotiate as they should have. Instead used bully boy tactics. We have to fight fire with fire.

I have some sympathy with the above view. Coventry fans in my view have always been too willing to accept mediocrity.That's a factor in why we have been so underachieving pretty much all the time over last 45 years. I thought the SISU debacle and move out the city would not be tolerated. To a certain extent it has. I'm personally amazed 1500 to 2000 fans are going to Northampton.

I went to Port Vale purely to protest and help swell the away attendance to help reach double Northampton attendances. It was my first game and from the start I was shouting SISU OUT. I was told by two different people to support the team . One wad verging on aggressive and the other verging on condescending. I wasn't there to support the team, bigger than that support the club and its future.

I found protests at the game were sperodic. Yes there wad some anti SISU stuff and take me home back to RICOH chants.
Some guy in front was even complaining that having 3K plus was spoiling the atmosphere, better at Northampton with 1800 who are not getting on players backs. Well if you want to support a proxy 4th tier team that's up to you. However my life from about being 3 to 38 we were a top flight club and Coventry is a fairly big City in England.

I felt a lot of people just didn't feel the anger I had. That's up to them I guess but I think my hard core days as being a supporter have gone. This is part to other family things and not having lived in Coventry for 15 years.

All I do know though is if we get back to RICOH I'll be there and shout my head off for the Sky Blues.

 

[lift tower]

I agree. All this talk of your fanbase being split is hugely exaggerated and has come about as a result of people looking for something to talk about, eg people on here with nothing better to do, the radio phone in trying to fill time etc. Every club has fans arguing amongst themselves, especially after bad results, always will.

 

[bigfatronssba]

There is no real split, 85-95% of fans are unified in not going to Northampton. Unfortunately the media (well cwr and the telegraph) classes those solely at sixfields as the fans.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Well put indeed OSB...the only way forward for us as fans IMO is to respect the decision others have made (i.e. To stay home, stand on the hill or go into the stadium to watch) no matter how despairing or incredulous or frustrating it makes you.
Then when we get some positive actions from whoever our owners are there will be no wounds that need healing.
In other words it's just like anything else in life...respect - live & let live.

 

[Paxman II]

Oh there is division or split if you want to call it that of fans. Absolutely. But it is a division on blame. It's fair to say that most blame SISU but some blame ACL/CCC. That is where the division is.

To rectify that fans need to be as one in their protest against ALL sides (SISU,ACL/Council) for the situation that has prevailed.
Do that and you have a common cause to unite the fan base that has become fragmented over the issues of who is to blame. Truth is they are all to blame, some more than others perhaps but we can all agree there is blame all round?

So organise your protest together, agree all sides share blame and then let them know that!
The Trust should be leading the way on behalf of all fans regardless of what each of us think is to blame the most and form protest outside the Ricoh Arena on match days in your thousands (the very thousands that would have gone to the game) It's a 90 minute protest.
Don't give one penny more to the Arena either, stay out the Casino, fill up the car parks with your feet. Cause the disruption peacefully and ensure the police will need to attend such public assembly. Now you will get noticed.
Unite the fans in the one belief we all hold dear....bring the Sky Blues back home!

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Oh there is division or split if you want to call it that of fans. Absolutely. But it is a division on blame. It's fair to say that most blame SISU but some blame ACL/CCC. That is where the division is.

To rectify that fans need to be as one in their protest against ALL sides (SISU,ACL/Council) for the situation that has prevailed.
Do that and you have a common cause to unite the fan base that has become fragmented over the issues of who is to blame. Truth is they are all to blame, some more than others perhaps but we can all agree there is blame all round?

So organise your protest together, agree all sides share blame and then let them know that!
The Trust should be leading the way on behalf of all fans regardless of what each of us think is to blame the most and form protest outside the Ricoh Arena on match days in your thousands (the very thousands that would have gone to the game) It's a 90 minute protest.
Don't give one penny more to the Arena either, stay out the Casino, fill up the car parks with your feet. Cause the disruption peacefully and ensure the police will need to attend such public assembly. Now you will get noticed.
Unite the fans in the one belief we all hold dear....bring the Sky Blues back home!

I think the vast majority actually blame all parties to varying degrees. The division appears more one of how best to respond for maximum effect to get what we want - & most of us are fair-minded in thinking there is reasonable grounds for all stances. The hardship is deciding which one sits right for us as individuals.

As per usual there is a significant noisy minority that are more aggressive or intimidatory or whatever in their voicing of opinion that makes it appear worse than it probably is.

 

[Astute]

A lot of us blame the council less now that Joy has spoken and admitted that the only offer acceptable is the one that she has said she wants. No bargaining. This don't make it easy for them. All sides agreed on the rent at the time. This would have about covered the mortgage payments. So the council are not as much to blame as some make out.

 

[skybluelee]

You have to ask the question what revenue is ccfc surviving off ?
The season ticket money that the sixfields stadium 1500 have handed over will have been spent by now !!!!
They will be getting some away fans ticket money but that's only once every couple of weeks and not enough to run the club !!!
So every week Sisu will be putting investors money what for the next 3-5 years, on top of costs of a new stadium and on top of massive legal costs for the JR paying both sides.
Also they have to shell out 1.5 million to come out of administration. I don't know if that figure includes PA fees.
With all this in mind they must be under massive pressure to come up with a solution !!!!!

ST sales are about 400 aren't they?

 

[thaiskyblue]

wont be going , i believe we are not getting anywhere with peaceful protests, i think we need to be disrupting the game, a sit in on the pitch or something that has a dramatic effect, non violent of course, i know the majority are not in favour, that's why i'm staying away ,for me, people are saying we all need to show solidarity, boycotters and attendees , for me that is the problem i cannot show solidarity to them , i wouldn't call names or threaten just blank them full stop. Anyway good luck to those going on the hill, play up sky blues, nopm.

 

[Nick]

wont be going , i believe we are not getting anywhere with peaceful protests, i think we need to be disrupting the game, a sit in on the pitch or something that has a dramatic effect, non violent of course, i know the majority are not in favour, that's why i'm staying away ,for me, people are saying we all need to show solidarity, boycotters and attendees , for me that is the problem i cannot show solidarity to them , i wouldn't call names or threaten just blank them full stop. Anyway good luck to those going on the hill, play up sky blues, nopm.

How would you go on the pitch without going in the ground?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Good op. I too think there is very little division as 90% of fans are united in their boycott of home games that are away from Coventry

 

[skybluelee]

How would you go on the pitch without going in the ground?

He explains why it won't happen in his post.

 

[thaiskyblue]

How would you go on the pitch without going in the ground?

i said i don't go because people are not interested in direct action, if they were i would go, read what people actually write, what's the point of me sitting on the pitch on my own, we are a joke , i lived and worked in asia for many years and have loads of mates who support lots of different clubs, they chat to me all the time and can not believe what we as fans of coventry city are doing.I will keep away nopm is at least doing something, more media coverage of fans loathing of what is happening is surely needed, but like i say the majority don't want this sort of exposure, that's why i don't go at all. Went to the rugby last week, really enjoyed it , a coventry team , playing in coventry, backed by decent honest caring owners, and supported by coventry people. nopm, pusb.

 

[stupot07]

A lot of us blame the council less now that Joy has spoken and admitted that the only offer acceptable is the one that she has said she wants. No bargaining. This don't make it easy for them. All sides agreed on the rent at the time. This would have about covered the mortgage payments. So the council are not as much to blame as some make out.

She didn't say that.


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[blueflint]

She didn't say that.


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yes she did read the full interview