Do We Think SISU Are Changing? (4 Viewers)

smileycov · Jul 6, 2012

Last year they sold anyone they could and did not replace, dragged there heels on Loanees as well. This year they have got 3 players in, they have held off at present about selling, although i think the amount of clubs looking at Keogh it is only a matter of time. We do need money for survival this year, so if by selling Keough it funds us for the year, i suppose we have to accept it. Thorn appears to be getting players he needs to get us back up, a few more are required and hopefully either purchase or Loans it will happen.
We have small fan base (thanks to them) so they may need to wheel and deal to keep us going - Accept that as long as it is wheel and deal not just sell.

Do people think they are conducting business any differently though? Have lessons been learnt?

IMO they are trying.....long way to go.

mark82 · Jul 6, 2012

Looks like they are selling Bigi for a pittance, so no, not changed.

pusbccfc · Jul 6, 2012

They've brought in 3 players, we've lost 3 times that amount!

coundonskyblue · Jul 6, 2012

So far we have lost

Cranie
Mcpake
Clingan
Norwood
Nimely

Likely to lose
Bigi
Keogh

So we have had 7 players out, and have brought in 3.

They may still bring in more, but for now it appears to be same old Sisu to me.

smileycov · Jul 6, 2012

pusbccfc said:
They've brought in 3 players, we've lost 3 times that amount!

Which is why the question is ARE they changing!

smileycov · Jul 6, 2012

mark82 said:
Looks like they are selling Bigi for a pittance, so no, not changed.

So no comment on the rest then? Do you think we should never sell anyone then just buy? How long as a club will we survive doing that?

Sell and buy is all i ask wheel and deal!! Keep us competative

Sub · Jul 6, 2012

no i dont think they are they dont give a shit about the fans or club all they want is a return for their investors!!

on the plus side atleast now they should be able to pay the rent now they have got peanuts for bigi

TrueSkyBlueLiam · Jul 6, 2012

Sisu out!

Quite simply, no. SISU are selling all of our players like Biggi and McPake for peanuts! They are the worst owners in the history of football. They don't know how to run a football match, let alone a football club. They need to just get out of our club before we riot.

SkyBlueJohnso · Jul 6, 2012

they said ages ago they had to get us to a point of break even and working withn our means, especially with the new financial rules coming in to force. it was inevitable we were going to have lose a lot of players and drastically cut the wage bill, as well as its inevitable that any decent offer will have to be seriously considered.

for the club to be signing new players, and actively trying to keep hold of others shows to me that the financial side must be in the best position it has been for at least 3-4 years. whether we are at break even yet or maybe even making a small profit no-one will know (or be prepared to say)

i think there will still be some players to leave before season starts - either higher earners or those that can get a decent transfer fee. but we are in a much better position than this time last year with hopes of a reasonably successful season, some very positive signings, and so far not lost anyone else.

still a hell of a long way to go but i certainly think turned a corner and now starting to move in the right direction

cloughie · Jul 6, 2012

Do we think sisu are changing

NO

AFCCOVENTRY · Jul 6, 2012

Only if we sign another 6/7 players

mark82 · Jul 6, 2012

smileycov said:
So no comment on the rest then? Do you think we should never sell anyone then just buy? How long as a club will we survive doing that?

Sell and buy is all i ask wheel and deal!! Keep us competative

So far we are 2 bodies down on last years squad, 3 if Bigi goes. I'm not saying they shouldn't sell just think they have gone a year too soon on this one. It's a bit short sighted. If the £1 million price tag is correct it's not as though it was an offer too good to refuse.

smileycov · Jul 6, 2012

Good response, just wondering as i feel better this pre-season than last. Dont get me wrong they are shocking owners, but owners they are so surival as a club is paramount.

As long as the team/squad for this season is good enough to push for promotion i am happier

coundonskyblue · Jul 6, 2012

They can't really use ffp as an excuse for bigi going. He must be one of the lowest paid senior players.

Sub · Jul 6, 2012

would of been easier to make us more financial stable if they had invested a little last year and not got us relegated and lost millions through tv revenue and more from ticket sales when fan and owner relationship is at a all time low !! For the life of me i can not understand all their bleating about rent and fair play when they have screwed the club to the ground pissed off their main income revenue ( the fans) and got us relegated. this is all their own doing and now they are trying to recover a a completly disatrous sitation which is totally their own doing :jerkit::jerkit:

Il Pirata · Jul 6, 2012

Sisu are never going to change, they are always going to sell any valuable player for as little as possible, because they are fighting a losing battle. Clawing back as much money as they can before they leave.

torchomatic · Jul 6, 2012

I think they could be. We've bought the same amount of players in four days than we did for the whole of last summer. They need to speculate to accumulate. It will be a blow to see Bigi and Keogh go, but let's see who they bring in.

oldskyblue58 · Jul 6, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
They can't really use ffp as an excuse for bigi going. He must be one of the lowest paid senior players.

Actually they can because the player sales net of player purchases is taken into account for the calculation to set the wage budget.

torchomatic · Jul 6, 2012

Wallace, Gillespie, Thomas, Davenport, Kirkland, Babb...

Il Pirata said:
Sisu are never going to change, they are always going to sell any valuable player for as little as possible, because they are fighting a losing battle. Clawing back as much money as they can before they leave.

mark82 · Jul 6, 2012

I think we can push for promotion, and I'm happy with the signings so far. Was very positive before the Bigi thing escalated, but that has just reminded me what we are dealing with. I was about to buy a £200 flexi ticket (I can't make every game) but now I'm gonna hold off and see what happens. Keogh signing a new contract would put a smile back on my face.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 6, 2012

Absolutely not. They are still doing less than the bare minimum. We won't sign a player for money, no matter how many we sell, the squad is already lighter than last season (insert Eastwood pun here), and we were terribly short in terms of numbers then. Getting promoted from L1 is possibly even tougher than staying in The Championship, especially in terms of being a long and tough season physically. But do they have any ambitions to get us promoted? Well only in that it "can't be ruled out"-their words, not mine!

coundonskyblue · Jul 6, 2012

torchomatic said:
Wallace, Gillespie, Thomas, Davenport, Kirkland, Babb...

Im not sure I follow. Because we had incompetent owners in the past in makes it ok to have incompetent owners now?

ccfctommy · Jul 6, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
So far we have lost

Cranie
Mcpake
Clingan
Norwood
Nimely

Likely to lose
Bigi
Keogh

So we have had 7 players out, and have brought in 3.

They may still bring in more, but for now it appears to be same old Sisu to me.

Nimely and Norwood wern't our players to lose. They were here on loan.

Il Pirata · Jul 6, 2012

Agree, I doubt we will even spend £100,000 on players in the transfer market.

We are lowering the wage bill further by letting high earners go, most who are key players - Cranie, Keogh, Clingan and Eastwood (plus others), and we are replacing them with free transfers. Decent free transfers, it has to be said, but will decent even be good enough considering what they are being added to?

It's exactly what I expected, personally. Another season where they hope the team and manager can make something out of very little. It didn't work last season. Generally I don't think Sisu much care, they want money back whether it comes from the stadium or players. When that opportunity ends for them we won't see them for dust.

mark82 · Jul 6, 2012

ccfctommy said:
Nimely and Norwood wern't our players to lose. They were here on loan.

But they were in the squad so still 2 players we had at end of last year that we don't now.

torchomatic · Jul 6, 2012

No, I'm just saying it's always happened and it always will.

coundonskyblue said:
Im not sure I follow. Because we had incompetent owners in the past in makes it ok to have incompetent owners now?

SkyBlueScottie · Jul 6, 2012

Dont think they are changing they have just taken the club to a level which it cant afford to run at. 3 players have been bought in, however not one fee has included a fee, the haggling over McPake I am sure was to waive some payments we may have owed, such as a loyalty bonus. and it looks like we will be getting a fee for Bigi and Keogh, I would be very surprised if these funds are reinvested in terms of paying out for new players. It will go to cover losses.

The next set of accounts will be very interesting, as they should reflect the cost cutting which has gone on at the club, however if there are further admin fees then in my opinion all hell should break loose.

oldskyblue58 · Jul 6, 2012

I dont think that is SISU changing as such......... overall a leopard doesnt change its spots.......... I think it is more that the choices available have reduced and this is what is left. They have managed to get people into positions at the club that might actually know what they are doing and this has an effect, including seeming like a change of direction. Bottom line is it isnt a change of direction (if it has at all) instigated by SISU....... what we have is all we can do simply to keep the club going from day to day.

Skybluefaz · Jul 6, 2012

I don't think they've changed, they've just found themselves backed into a corner with no more options, even the Hoffs quid is no where near the table anymore.

The only way they were going to make any money in league 1 was by acquiring the Ricoh on the cheap, thankfully that never happened.

In my opinion, they have no other option now but to try and turn the club into a competitor for promotion this season on order to gain new interest from potential investors or owners. The hoff seems to show that no one will touch a club outside the championship. Especially one without an asset to speak of.

SISU may be surprised by the gates if we do create a winning team this year, if we start getting on a good run I'm sure the fans will return.

We just crave a bit of success.

But still...... fuck off SISU

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 6, 2012

No they are not changing, probably more to do with the fact we haven't got the prat Duleiu at the club anymore.

coundonskyblue · Jul 6, 2012

torchomatic said:
No, I'm just saying it's always happened and it always will.

I agree that a club like ours will always struggle to hold onto certain players.

But we have a history of constantly selling players just to pay the bills.

A club/business that has to sell its assets just to meet its running costs will never be successful.

torchomatic · Jul 6, 2012

I agree totally.

coundonskyblue said:
I agree that a club like ours will always struggle to hold onto certain players.

But we have a history of constantly selling players just to pay the bills.

A club/business that has to sell its assets just to meet its running costs will never be successful.

SkyBlueScottie · Jul 6, 2012

Saying that is it such a bad thing that costs are being cut?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2169441/Portsmouth-problems--club-stand-brink.html

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 6, 2012

torchomatic said:
Wallace, Gillespie, Thomas, Davenport, Kirkland, Babb...

NONE of whom were as young as him, as die hard Sky Blue as him, or as far away from their potential value as he is! You could argue they were all sold for fees we couldn't turn down and at the most we were ever going to get for them, so I have to disagree with those examples, maybe with the exception of Thomas.

skyblue1523 · Jul 6, 2012

No i don't think sisu have changed they are so shortsighted sell for a quick buck now.They said when they came that they was go to invest in up and coming new talent not sell them.their game plan as been shot out of the water.This just shows me that they are in it for the short term and not the long term.

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