Do you want to discuss boring politics? (18 Viewers)

[stupot07]

I interviewed some graduates last week for our graduate scheme. They had to deliver a presentation on a topic that had been set. 3/4 out of 8 had clearly used to the same AI tool as they'd come up with the same solutions to the given problem in the same order.

I just cannot understand why anybody would devalue themselves that way? I don't understand why you'd just rely on AI. What do you think people are paying you for?

I've just done two unsuccessful rounds of recruitment, cap reached (100) both times within 5 hours. Virtual every application was as the same.

Those we shortlisted basically did the same presentation. Non them were able to demonstrate any depth of knowledge or experience when we got to the interview questions.

All AI and a massive waste of my time.

 

---

[chiefdave]

I'm not on about the stock prices etc. Just that it's not going to go away.

I can't comment on stock prices but only as somebody who implements it and can see the benefits for businesses. (Not the bullshit ai features on a toaster etc)

But if the benefit to the business is that it requires less labour then this is exactly what is being referred to.

As far back as Henry Ford he realised that you needed sufficient workers, sufficiently well paid, to be able to purchase the products you are producing.

Now we're in a race to reduce costs to increase returns to shareholders. This involves reducing staff levels but it will only have a short term impact. As the report highlights, every company will do the same so the savings are offset but you have a huge number of people no longer employed and therefore demand drops throught the floor.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It would be good to read Morgan McSweeney WhatsApp messages - oh he lost his phone!

Strangely a very low priority for the police

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Certainly finding it all very interesting for when I start applying for positions later this year. I’ve so far only used AI for generating possible interview questions, I’m reluctant to use it to do more than that as far as thinking for myself is concerned.

 

[SBAndy]

Certainly finding it all very interesting for when I start applying for positions later this year. I’ve so far only used AI for generating possible interview questions, I’m reluctant to use it to do more than that as far as thinking for myself is concerned.

Might also be worth thinking about ‘model answers’ to those questions as it may throw something out that you identify you need to research more about prior to actually going through the job hunting process.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Might also be worth thinking about ‘model answers’ to those questions as it may throw something out that you identify you need to research more about prior to actually going through the job hunting process.

The state of the job market being what it is that’s not a bad idea.

 

[Sick Boy]

Most people use AI in the wrong way - it should be used to speed up processes and cut down on ‘busywork’.

 

[Nick]

But if the benefit to the business is that it requires less labour then this is exactly what is being referred to.

As far back as Henry Ford he realised that you needed sufficient workers, sufficiently well paid, to be able to purchase the products you are producing.

Now we're in a race to reduce costs to increase returns to shareholders. This involves reducing staff levels but it will only have a short term impact. As the report highlights, every company will do the same so the savings are offset but you have a huge number of people no longer employed and therefore demand drops throught the floor.

Reducing labour has been around for decades?

It's not even just about reducing labour, it's speed, accuracy, consistency. Especially in manufacturing.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Most people use AI in the wrong way - it should be used to speed up processes and cut down on ‘busywork’.

When I was teaching I used it to do things like report writing and general admin, saved a lot of time and freed me up to do better lesson prep.

If it’s used to do the ‘grunt work’ I have no real issue.

 

[Nick]

Most people use AI in the wrong way - it should be used to speed up processes and cut down on ‘busywork’.

Exactly. People will know about 2% of it and whine about it. (Not on about people on here).

 

[Nick]

Certainly finding it all very interesting for when I start applying for positions later this year. I’ve so far only used AI for generating possible interview questions, I’m reluctant to use it to do more than that as far as thinking for myself is concerned.

Yeah I didn't use it to bullshit when I was looking either. I made sure my CVS and applications were written by me in my style.

The power of ai was that I could have a list of skills, achievements and experience and then feed it a job description and say "pick bits out for me to talk about" or to use.

Then mock interviews as well were helpful.

 

[chiefdave]

Hairdressers and Nail Technicians are on the final frontier.

Douglas Adams was right!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah I didn't use it to bullshit when I was looking either. I made sure my CVS and applications were written by me in my style.

The power of ai was that I could have a list of skills, achievements and experience and then feed it a job description and say "pick bits out for me to talk about" or to use.

Then mock interviews as well were helpful.

I used it to generate interview questions for a position I have now, it got some of them almost bang on and having had time to think about what I would say was useful.

I’m interested in using it as a sort of careers adviser with my skills/qualifications/experience as input.

 

[chiefdave]

The initial problem I can see is that it will replace a lot of lower level tasks/roles so how will we get the next tranche of senior level people learning enough to direct, understand and check what’s been produced.

Legal industry was an early adopter. We implemented a fair bit of stuff for law firms we have as clients.

They are now suffering exactly that issue. They don't have the influx of junior staff so have killed the pool of recruits they need at the next level.

 

[SBAndy]

Reducing labour has been around for decades?

It's not even just about reducing labour, it's speed, accuracy, consistency. Especially in manufacturing.

It has, but there’s always been other sectors that people could turn to. The medium term risk is that a number of sectors squeeze out labour at the same time causing mass unemployment.

 

[fernandopartridge]

 

[fernandopartridge]

Legal industry was an early adopter. We implemented a fair bit of stuff for law firms we have as clients.

They are now suffering exactly that issue. They don't have the influx of junior staff so have killed the pool of recruits they need at the next level.

Was talking to a litigator from a legal firm I know recently who was saying how difficult it is to recruit

 

[fernandopartridge]

The AI / cloud subscription model is to penetrate, create dependency and then ratchet up the subscription costs.

 

[wingy]

Joined at the hip to USA, not for me?

Think some interference from a certain government are present in this narrative myself , I won't be folding on this subject no matter how it's presented, Release the Epstein files in their entirety would be my go to.

 

[Captain Dart]

 

[fernandopartridge]

Think some interference from a certain government are present in this narrative myself , I won't be folding on this subject no matter how it's presented, Release the Epstein files in their entirety would be my go to.

Some stuff I have read as suggested it is China, though I reckon that's a massive, pardon the pun, red herring.

 

[wingy]

Was talking to a litigator from a legal firm I know recently who was saying how difficult it is to recruit

I've been a little hard on my daughter over the past few months, stating she had the opportunity to go this way at the age of fourteen, it involved an extended day of around four hours travel included,she showed the potential though,she still does if only she realised, doing ok though .

 

[chiefdave]

Looks like Starmer wasn't lying / they've found their fall guy (select according to your preference)

 

[Grendel]

Starmer is being rinsed in parliament - it’s humiliating

 

[tisza]

Looks like Starmer wasn't lying / they've found their fall guy (select according to your preference)

staggers me that information can be withheld from PM (regardless of who it is) when appointing representatives of the Govt/country.

 

[fernandopartridge]

staggers me that information can be withheld from PM (regardless of who it is) when appointing representatives of the Govt/country.

Because it clearly is a lie or at least a completely manufactured position whereby it was known prior to appointment that he'd fail the test so therefore was agreed that the information would be witheld from the PM (with the PM's tacit knowledge)

 

[wingy]

staggers me that information can be withheld from PM (regardless of who it is) when appointing representatives of the Govt/country.

It's a simple choice really IMO,you either go with all the opinion,or you go with the other (fabricated) Version, sorry that's two negatives,or you believe it me personally I don't give a damn except this is not about the appointment at all, it's about toppling him, for the instant gratification of Two other parties who haven't got a clue and serving the wishes of the USA,who have their sticky fingers all over it,royal visit, beyond comprehension.

 

[Grendel]

Lee Anderson and Zarah Sultana in unison who’d have thought

 

[Captain Dart]

Lee Anderson and Zarah Sultana in unison who’d have thought

David Davies and Uncle Tom Cobley and all.
How long can he brass neck this, the man has no shame and no integrity.

 

[Grendel]

David Davies and Uncle Tom Cobley and all.
How long can he brass neck this, the man has no shame and no integrity.

still gets people on here defending him

 

[tisza]

It's a simple choice really IMO,you either go with all the opinion,or you go with the other (fabricated) Version, sorry that's two negatives,or you believe it me personally I don't give a damn except this is not about the appointment at all, it's about toppling him, for the instant gratification of Two other parties who haven't got a clue and serving the wishes of the USA,who have their sticky fingers all over it,royal visit, beyond comprehension.

it's more the practice that civil servants can withhold information from the most senior elected officials and allow them to make these appointments without the full picture - in this case apparently to protect Mandelson's reputation. Starmer's been done this time but it could be other elected officials next time. Fail to see how these civil servants don't have a duty of care to protect the reputation/ potential security of the nation/any govt.

 

[Grendel]

it's more the practice that civil servants can withhold information from the most senior elected officials and allow them to make these appointments without the full picture - in this case apparently to protect Mandelson's reputation. Starmer's been done this time but it could be other elected officials next time. Fail to see how these civil servants don't have a duty of care to protect the reputation/ potential security of the nation/any govt.

Mandleson never actually had a reputation worth protecting - it’s ironic as this is exactly the kind of reasoning Johnson would project

 

[chiefdave]

staggers me that information can be withheld from PM (regardless of who it is) when appointing representatives of the Govt/country.

Dianne Abbott, not the most popular person on here I know, nailed it

“It’s one thing to say, as he insists on saying, nobody told me, nobody told me anything, nobody told me. The question is, why didn't the prime minister ask?”

 

[skybluetony176]

Even if he wasn’t told… I mean, come on. It was just a ridiculous stupid idea employing him in the first place just based on what was already in the public domain. Not just on his relationship with Epstein but he was sacked twice IIRC in the last labour government because of scandal. He was always a liability and going full Boris to deny it as if you couldn’t see it coming ain’t going to wash. He’s clearly got to go and if he ain’t going to do the honourable thing and resign then the parliamentary party is going to have to force it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

But that's what a "bubble" is a description of, you said it wasn't one.

Of course there are probably some relatively small scale benefits of using AI but these fall way short of what the stock market assumes.

I work in an industry where AI is somewhat overhyped.

Ultimately, AI is only as useful as the inputs you give it. It speeds up relatively smaller scale tasks but the machine learning aspects of it struggle if inputs are too broad.