fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
I've read Hayward's tweet (he is the epitome of centrist crank), he as usual exposes the centre of Labour politics to be about a broad church (as long as the opinions are all sensible like theirs).
You can post stupid gifs all you want, it's factually correct.
Saying he'll do it in Autumn or in the New Year means he's content to carry on with George Osbournes policy.
Yes intending to stop that thing shows he's really intent on carrying on with that thing.
Christ if you lot are this bad 5 minutes into this government you're going to be absolutely ruined in 5 years time.
#centristdads4ever
More nonsense. I praised them the other day for the way they're conducting themselves but when they fuck up I'll say so.
I don't expect them to turn things round overnight but this could be sorted fairly quickly and relatively cheaply.
You're the one performing mental gymnastics to defend them.
I'm not performing any mental gymnastics.
I'm stating very obvious facts about what happened with this amendment that some people seemingly cannot grasp and instead start spouting that anyone against it wants to see children in poverty. Such utter, utter horseshit.
I'm not performing any mental gymnastics.
I'm stating very obvious facts about what happened with this amendment that some people seemingly cannot grasp and instead start spouting that anyone against it wants to see children in poverty. Such utter, utter horseshit.
Perhaps you can help me with something.I'm not performing any mental gymnastics.
I'm stating very obvious facts about what happened with this amendment that some people seemingly cannot grasp and instead start spouting that anyone against it wants to see children in poverty. Such utter, utter horseshit.
Perhaps you can help me with something.
If I work in a school and there is a bank of evidence to say that a system or process is not fit for purpose and causing kids unnecessary harm, should I a) do something about it now, or b) conduct a spurious review for several months even though the evidence is clear before I do something about ?
Bit unfair to say spurious. It might be but we shouldn’t assume it will bePerhaps you can help me with something.
If I work in a school and there is a bank of evidence to say that a system or process is not fit for purpose and causing kids unnecessary harm, should I a) do something about it now, or b) conduct a spurious review for several months even though the evidence is clear before I do something about ?
Do you have a reputation with your employers for doing things half baked and costing the company lots of money for little impact?
Nation state as company analogy now
Why has the work and pensions secretary implied that it is subject to 'affordability'
Having said that I still think these six MP’s have been dicks given it was the platform that they were elected on and if they really want to be suspended for show they could have picked a far better opportunity, I don’t think this has had the cut through they thought it would have, it’s very much coming across as corbynites being petty for show. In conclusion they’re all dicks.
At least we know that energy bills will be reducing soon.Yeah, I never said you did. I was just laying out the facts. Fact is there’s no shortage of hard working parents out there having to claim UC because their wages have been suppressed, their mortgage/rent, energy bills, weekly shop etc etc have taken a real hit on top off that. 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago they probably could afford 1,2 or 3 kids, through no fault of their own their circumstances have changed and they now need help. People like you are quick to label them scroungers as if they’re all sat on their arses , not holding down jobs just “firing” kid’s out for the benefits. You have a very blinkered view based on bullshit not reality.
Quite.
I'm sure it's just a total coincidence that the only 7 rebels are Corbynite cranks.
I'm sure it's just another total coincidence they are the only 7 people in the entire Labour Party with a conscience.
I'm sure every single other member of the party just wants to push more kids into poverty.
Honestly lads.
Me.You do realise that people hold left wing beliefs agnostic of Corbyn
You do realise that people hold left wing beliefs agnostic of Corbyn
The response has generally been “give us a minute to figure out how to pay for it and we’ll drop it” from day one. The SNP and the Left know this and are using it as a wedge, Starmer is acting ridiculously and using this as some kind of loyalty marker.
Could genuinely see this Labour government being in for one term. They’ll be challenged on the right by Reform and on the left by the Greens. Without the full details, Reform alone cost the Tories around 80 seats.
The evidence is already clear and out in the public domain. It does not need a further 6 month ‘enquiry’Bit unfair to say spurious. It might be but we shouldn’t assume it will be
That was the way of placating most labour mps who then didn’t vote against.
I think it’s fair to look at everything in the round but once you have you have to act
Some weird straw man nonsense there fella.Quite.
I'm sure it's just a total coincidence that the only 7 rebels are Corbynite cranks.
I'm sure it's just another total coincidence they are the only 7 people in the entire Labour Party with a conscience.
I'm sure every single other member of the party just wants to push more kids into poverty.
Honestly lads.
Some weird straw man nonsense there fella.
In the end MP's had an amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap in front of them, to help reduce child poverty.
Do you in good conscience vote against that?
I think you might be confused who the lunatics are.
It would helpThe evidence is already clear and out in the public domain. It does not need a further 6 month ‘enquiry’
It would help
It’s not a silver bullet
Exactly. I doubt anyone wants to see any child living in poverty, however, child poverty and benefits relating to it is a far more complex issue than this one policy. I don’t know for example whether the cost incurred in removing the cap would help more kids in need than say using that money in a different way ie extra direct support for the poorest in society (those in material deprivation/destitution) and/or increasing UC for those that need it most
Plenty of wider issues, some of which have been mentioned already like child care, birth rates, housing etc etc which go way beyond the cap.
People like to say this. But in reality solving poverty generally is as simple as giving people money so they aren’t in poverty. That’s what we did in the 2000s to massively reduce child poverty and pensioner poverty.
Could genuinely see this Labour government being in for one term. They’ll be challenged on the right by Reform and on the left by the Greens. Without the full details, Reform alone cost the Tories around 80 seats.
My point is if the reason/argument for removing the cap is to help kids living in poverty there’s probably far more efficient and effective ways of doing that
Removing the cap benefits 1.6m kids, 330k of which are said to be in living in poverty because of it. This costs 3.5bn per year (17bn over Parliament). I’m saying I’d personally rather have all that money directly spent on the 1m kids that live in destitution
Cancelling Bibby Stockholm and Rwanda is apparently going to save £7B over 10 years so there’s a good chunk. Starmers missed a trick if you ask me to not reallocate those savings to scrapping the cap and then making a fuss about how cancelling Tory follies allows us to look after our own.My point is if the reason/argument for removing the cap is to help kids living in poverty there’s probably far more efficient and effective ways of doing that
Removing the cap benefits 1.6m kids, 330k of which are said to be in living in poverty because of it. This costs 3.5bn per year (17bn over Parliament). I’m saying I’d personally rather have all that money directly spent on the 1m kids that live in destitution
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