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The PM saying ‘let the bodies pile high’ and getting away with it. Still can’t believe he said it
The PM saying ‘let the bodies pile high’ and getting away with it. Still can’t believe he said itOr the Owen Patterson debacle where the Tories tried to retrospectively change the rules to bail him out. Or the breaking of the ministerial code by various Tory MP’s for things that not that many years before would have ended said MP’s career, only to be ignored and swept under the carpet.
Yeah… but the EU is dealing with corruption. It really isn’t the line of attack someone thinks it is when you look at the behaviour of our own government.The PM saying ‘let the bodies pile high’ and getting away with it. Still can’t believe he said it
What are the metrics behind the numbers?Hot take: both the U.K. and the EU some of the least corrupt places on the planet:
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We aiming to be world leading in a couple of years?Hot take: both the U.K. and the EU some of the least corrupt places on the planet:
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We aiming to be world leading in a couple of years?
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Did he though? Have you heard the audio? Amazing how everyone universally agrees that Cummings was a twat, yet are equally prepared to quote him on the parts they'd like to think were true. I'm not saying they all weren't, I can't categorically say either way, but can you?The PM saying ‘let the bodies pile high’ and getting away with it. Still can’t believe he said it
What are the metrics behind the numbers?
If Johnson didn’t say it he’d have denied it. Which as far as I can tell, he hasn’tDid he though? Have you heard the audio? Amazing how everyone universally agrees that Cummings was a twat, yet are equally prepared to quote him on the parts they'd like to think were true. I'm not saying they all weren't, I can't categorically say either way, but can you?
Did he though? Have you heard the audio? Amazing how everyone universally agrees that Cummings was a twat, yet are equally prepared to quote him on the parts they'd like to think were true. I'm not saying they all weren't, I can't categorically say either way, but can you?
Didn’t government and Downing Street staff collaborate the story before Cummings even mentioned it. Sure the Guardian and ITV News both broke the story, Cummings just agreed it was true and added he was in the room when it was said.Did he thought? Have you heard the audio? Amazing how everyone universally agrees that Cummings was a twat, yet are equally prepared to quote him on the parts they'd like to think were true. I'm not saying they all weren't, I can't categorically say either way, but can you?
Hideous speech just now from Sunak on immigration. Highlights include reducing the threshold for modern slavery. This nationalism is appalling and dangerous.
It's quite clear this rhetoric is just designed to appeal to people to mask this Government's failures and them not resolving the strikes. But surely people won't vote for a party again just because they will be horrible to foreigners when they can't settle any of the industrial disputes. Impossible to travel anywhere by train, NHS, postal and other strikes. Times have changed and there are more important things than being mean to foreigners.
We have already spent £140 million on the Rwanda scheme. Wouldn't you prefer that money went to our NHS workers? Why won't this Government focus on the important things that matter to people?
Hideous speech just now from Sunak on immigration. Highlights include reducing the threshold for modern slavery. This nationalism is appalling and dangerous.
It's quite clear this rhetoric is just designed to appeal to people to mask this Government's failures and them not resolving the strikes. But surely people won't vote for a party again just because they will be horrible to foreigners when they can't settle any of the industrial disputes. Impossible to travel anywhere by train, NHS, postal and other strikes. Times have changed and there are more important things than being mean to foreigners.
We have already spent £140 million on the Rwanda scheme. Wouldn't you prefer that money went to our NHS workers? Why won't this Government focus on the important things that matter to people?
Exactly. Priorities have moved on but the Tories haven't. They won Brexit through the immigration rhetoric but I think most people are tired of it now. People are more concerned about heating their homes, getting fair pay, being able to get a train, and the NHS. Why care about immigration when you can't get an ambulance when you need it? Of course climate change should be number in priority and it will become so soon as conditions get more extreme in the coming years.
More voters have climate change as a top priority than immigration. Fighting yesterdays battles. Probably more concerned with losing the few votes they have left to RefUK than anything else.
Well we need migrants in many areas of business. This anti immigration stuff is just about appealing yo some people's basic instincts of suspicion of foreigners. Worked with Brexit but it's time has gone surely?He spoke at a CBI do a couple of weeks ago and he was asked about immigration and apparently he was dreadful and didn't go down well.
To be honest that's bollocks.
Given how astonishingly corrupt the whole Mone affair is its hardly been mentioned and the role of a senior in the whole affair even less.
It isn't bollocks. The off topic on SBT needs an overhaul as it is a boring echo chamber.
With Mone, no one is coming out with deflections. Tory bad = acceptable. Mention something bad about the EU and it is met with either dismissal, whataboutery, sarcasm, or laughing emojis.
I know these aren’t realistic, but sure is fun to think about
Ive just read the bbcs Sunak article (didn’t hear speech) and struggling to see the issue. clearing the backlog is good for everyone…the public and the claimants. At the moment we’re got a load of people who might have a valid/genuine claim who are stuck in limbo. we should also be trying to dissuade people who aren’t genuine asylum seekers from entering the country illegally not just because of the ridiculous holding costs involved but again, their claims are clogging up the system for genuine claimants.
What’s missing is an acknowledgment that there needs to be processing centres away from the U.K. where people can submit an asylum claim legally. Until the government has the balls to accept this we’ll continue with this mess
What’s all this anti immigration stuff being talked about though ?? It’s illegal immigration that Sunak was talking about. If it’s true that France, Germany etc are rejecting almost 100% of Albanian asylum seeker claims then no wonder so many are chancing their arm getting into the U.K. so we’ve got to look at our system. Net migration was 500k+ this year, that’s hardly anti immigration.
Echo chamber of what?It isn't bollocks. The off topic on SBT needs an overhaul as it is a boring echo chamber.
With Mone, no one is coming out with deflections. Tory bad = acceptable. Mention something bad about the EU and it is met with either dismissal, whataboutery, sarcasm, or laughing emojis.
It isn't bollocks. The off topic on SBT needs an overhaul as it is a boring echo chamber.
With Mone, no one is coming out with deflections. Tory bad = acceptable. Mention something bad about the EU and it is met with either dismissal, whataboutery, sarcasm, or laughing emojis.
It’s also a completely pointless exercise to try and appeal to them for the reasons James O’Brien raises here.
More voters have climate change as a top priority than immigration. Fighting yesterdays battles. Probably more concerned with losing the few votes they have left to RefUK than anything else.
Mate. What do you want? You posted an example of the EU taking action against attempted corruption. You’ve been shown data that both the EU and the U.K. are the least corrupt places on Earth. It seems like you want your opinion unquestioningly parroted back to you.
If you’ve got a case to make, make it. Don’t just have a mad angry cry because people don’t immediately agree with you.
Which politician has been the subject of most the debate on here recently? Starmer by a country mile.
The reason there's no one defending brexit or the tories is because they've turned the country into a complete bin fire.
Only g7 country whose GDP hasnt returned to post pandemic levels for fucks sake. If you've got any positives I'd love to hear them.
Echo chamber of what?
My general take is that this thread, whilst generally to the left will inevitably descend into "My left is better than your left" chat every few pages.
There’s corruption across the EU and in the UK - I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?I mean, just look at your reactions. I post something which shows there is corruption in the EU and all we get is Brexit, Tories, 'look how great they are for dealing with it efficiently', and as I said; sarcasm, denial, whataboutery, and emoji's. In reality, the only relevant brexit point here is that so many people voted to leave because of these kind of attitudes in the first place. A complete inability to critique (let alone acknowledge) any of the negatives of the EU sensibly.
If I had posted about a ring of Tories being corrupt (which frankly they can burn for as well), an interaction like this wouldn't be happening. It is just such a shame. There are some really intelligent people on here, but the inability to call out something shit because it's 'your side' is extremely frustrating and why no one else bothers to post in here any more. I'll leave it at that.
I mean, just look at your reactions. I post something which shows there is corruption in the EU and all we get is Brexit, Tories, 'look how great they are for dealing with it efficiently', and as I said; sarcasm, denial, whataboutery, and emoji's. In reality, the only relevant brexit point here is that so many people voted to leave because of these kind of attitudes in the first place. A complete inability to critique (let alone acknowledge) any of the negatives of the EU sensibly.
If I had posted about a ring of Tories being corrupt (which frankly they can burn for as well), an interaction like this wouldn't be happening. It is just such a shame. There are some really intelligent people on here, but the inability to call out something shit because it's 'your side' is extremely frustrating and why no one else bothers to post in here any more. I'll leave it at that.
I mean, just look at your reactions. I post something which shows there is corruption in the EU and all we get is Brexit, Tories, 'look how great they are for dealing with it efficiently', and as I said; sarcasm, denial, whataboutery, and emoji's. In reality, the only relevant brexit point here is that so many people voted to leave because of these kind of attitudes in the first place. A complete inability to critique (let alone acknowledge) any of the negatives of the EU sensibly.
If I had posted about a ring of Tories being corrupt (which frankly they can burn for as well), an interaction like this wouldn't be happening. It is just such a shame. There are some really intelligent people on here, but the inability to call out something shit because it's 'your side' is extremely frustrating and why no one else bothers to post in here any more. I'll leave it at that.
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