David O'Day
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Lazy? The tory who won even admitted ULEZ swung it.
What is lazy is people like you who are so eager to blame starmer they ignore facts
Lazy? The tory who won even admitted ULEZ swung it.Blaming ULEZ is lazy, considering as well that Starmer came out and supported the scheme a few weeks ago, he’s tried to straddle the fence on it.
900 people voted Green, most of those would have probably have voted Labour not so long ago, until they were told their vote wasn’t wanted.
Isn’t it? What seat projection does that kind of swing imply?The seat of the disgraced former Prime Minister heavily targeted by Labour and they still don't win it, come on David it isn't a disaster but it's hardly a sign of a thumping majority either.
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Great to be against something that saves livesLazy? The tory who won even admitted ULEZ swung it.
What is lazy is people like you who are so eager to blame starmer they ignore facts
It's the expansion to the outer boroughs that is the issueWasn’t ULEZ a Tory policy implemented by Shapps? So on that premise are you saying the Tories won because they put it in place?
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It's the cost and while supporting ULEZ's I get the fear people will have at being made to pay 12.59 a day to drive there card if it is an older model.Great to be against something that saves lives
Wasn’t ULEZ a Tory policy implemented by Shapps? So on that premise are you saying the Tories won because they put it in place?
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Maybe you’ve just highlighted where Labour might fall short in one sentence.It's the expansion to the outer boroughs that is the issue
Still I'm glad you know more back how the tory won than the tory himself
“Sadiq Khan has lost Labour this election,” is what he said in his victory speech
Sorry David you are right. Also I see you’ve already been offering helpful strategy suggestions on Twitter
The seat of the disgraced former Prime Minister heavily targeted by Labour and they still don't win it, come on David it isn't a disaster but it's hardly a sign of a thumping majority either.
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no, I simply am pointing out it's not "lazy" to blame the issue that even the Tory victor says won him the electionMaybe you’ve just highlighted where Labour might fall short in one sentence.
You are essentially suggesting that Labour’s post-election review should be based on a sentence from a Tory MP victory speech, and not considering in any way why they couldn’t rouse another 500 non-voters to make the journey to the ballot box.
Hard to say given the poor turnoutIsn’t it? What seat projection does that kind of swing imply?
I support ULEZ's you thick weirdoSorry David you are right. Also I see you’ve already been offering helpful strategy suggestions on Twitter
And simply ignoring the other point again.no, I simply am pointing out it's not "lazy" to blame the issue that even the Tory victor says won him the election
I think I picked that one up earlier thanks. But you’re so busy being salty about them not winning you missed the sarcasm.I support ULEZ's you thick weirdo
There isn't another point you clownAnd simply ignoring the other point again.
did you fuckI think I picked that one up earlier thanks.
Yep, weird as wellHaha amazing. But totally predictable.
There is a point - the point where Labour should have taken the seat by simply offering more people that didn’t vote at all a progressive reason to vote for them.There isn't another point you clown
You said it was lazy and i pointed out that even the tory said that is why he won
It's a proxy for the cost of living for which Labour has nothing at all to offerIt's the cost and while supporting ULEZ's I get the fear people will have at being made to pay 12.59 a day to drive there card if it is an older model.
There does need to be ore doe to help people
No there isn't point, it's fucking sad that you that petty that you are pretending you know more about why someone won an election than the person won won it themselves does.There is a point - the point where Labour should have taken the seat by simply offering more people that didn’t vote at all a progressive reason to vote for them.
Rattle by two folk on a Cov forum? Nah, I do find you and Ian depressing sad thoughYou seem rattled David
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It’s sad that you are completely oblivious to any other kind of reason as to how Labour could have done better.No there isn't point, it's fucking sad that you that petty that you are pretending you know more about why someone won an election than the person won won it themselves does.
You really have jumped the shark
The order that enabled the ULEZ was made by TFL under the Mayor of London at that time Boris Johnson. Tories are ignorant of this and the Labour candidate stupidly sought to blame Khan rather than just state the facts.The original congestion zone definitely was a good introduction where there is a full
Service of buses , trains and underground - road pollution was rife
however LTNs and the extension of ULEZ would very much hit service businesses and generally people on lower incomes who can’t afford to replace their older diesel cars
and as above it has been rushed through
khan is a crook !
OK Ian, you know better than everyone else.It’s sad that you are completely oblivious to any other kind of reason as to how Labour could have done better.
Accept the Tory framing in the run up and the aftermath, well doneOK Ian, you know better than everyone else.
At least my mind is open to the possibility.OK Ian, you know better than everyone else.
Or admit that asking people to pay 12.50 a day is a big askAccept the Tory framing in the run up and the aftermath, well done
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No, no you really don't have an open mind.At least my mind is open to the possibility.
You seem rattled David
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