We’ve had those things called trade unions securing better pay and terms for their members in the last few years despite the Labour Party not wanting to know and the Tories trying to outlaw strikes. That is the ‘hard left’ exercising some power for the better.Given a magical fantasy land where the electorate consists entirely of you, Ian and CvD then sure.
Given the real world where it’s Labour or Tories, I’ll choose Labour every time.
Why aren’t you angry with the left for fucking up their big change like I am? Why aren’t you frustrated at the glaring lack of talent in the SCG? Why do you keep giving these fucking awful politicians a free pass and blaming people who actually try to get elected instead of whining that everything isn’t fair?
You’re not fucking lefties. You’re in it for the aesthetic and the ability to grumpily sit at the side and say everything is shit. You have no wish for left wing politics to get into power because that might mean having to sully your oh so precious principles. Principles you never want tested in case you find they come up short outside of protest lines and academia.
We’ve had those things called trade unions securing better pay and terms for their members in the last few years despite the Labour Party not wanting to know and the Tories trying to outlaw strikes. That is the ‘hard left’ exercising some power for the better.
Interesting. How would the party get on without its union funding anyway?Oh. My mistake. I’ll cast a vote for Mick Lynch when I get to the polling booth.
Interesting. How would the party get on without its union funding anyway?
Clive Lewis.Dunno. Would probably have to court more business.
Who would you have from the SCG over Starmer? And remember John McDonnell comes with almost as much baggage as Jezza.
You could have any of these political big beasts: Socialist Campaign Group - Wikipedia
Stop running away from the job of a political party because it makes you feel icky. How are you going to get one of these fine MPs elected as PM? Catch: you can’t blame a conspiracy against you in your answer.
Should be central fundingInteresting. How would the party get on without its union funding anyway?
Why do you constantly rattle on about individuals? I don't care about the SCG or any individual politician.Dunno. Would probably have to court more business.
Who would you have from the SCG over Starmer? And remember John McDonnell comes with almost as much baggage as Jezza.
You could have any of these political big beasts: Socialist Campaign Group - Wikipedia
Stop running away from the job of a political party because it makes you feel icky. How are you going to get one of these fine MPs elected as PM? Catch: you can’t blame a conspiracy against you in your answer.
Why do you constantly rattle on about individuals? I don't care about the SCG or any individual politician.
I don't know why you're so uptight about anybody criticising Starmer, he's going to piss the election so what does it matter?
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Because those are your choices. That’s the best the left has managed to get elected. And until that changes you can’t bitch that it’s not in charge of the party FFS.
I’m frustrated with people who claim to want left wing policy enacted by government but are intent on never actually trying to make it happen because what they actually want is to feel oh so special compared to the people actually cracking on and trying to win elections.
Instead, Starmer said, significant barriers to growth could be tackled without extra spending, such as changes to the planning system and more efficient public services
Leaked email reveals Keir Starmer vetoed Thatcher criticism
Exclusive: As the Labour leader faces a backlash over his praise for the former Tory prime minister, a leaked email shows he stopped former frontbencher Sam Tarry from attacking her ‘failed’ transport policies in 2021www.independent.co.uk
Sir Keir Starmer’s top team prevented a shadow minister from criticising Margaret Thatcher, The Independent can reveal.
As the Labour leader faces a backlash for his praise of the former Tory prime minister, a leaked email shows he stopped Sam Tarry, then the party’s shadow minister for transport, from attacking her failed policies in 2021.
Left-winger Mr Tarry had wanted to criticise her 1985 Transport Act, saying it “failed to deliver lower fares and better services across Greater Manchester”.
But when the comments were sent to Sir Keir’s office for approval, one of his top aides insisted the reference to Thatcher be taken out.
The leaked email said: “Can we take out the Thatcher stuff and instead criticise the current government?”
Also on this immigration clampdown surely the draw for medical professionals coming to the UK was largely because you could bring your dependants. Where’s the incentive now? Sounds like a trap for the next government who will have to reverse it for the benefit of the NHS.
Pretty much what Yvette Cooper was saying in response. She was also pointing out that employers were allowed to employ for example an engineer on 20% lower wages as an immigrant compared to a British engineer which is also linked to a drop off in training British engineers. Labour’s plan is apparently to drop the discount for foreign workers and invest in training in fields like engineering to address the labour shortages.There was a lot in what Cleverley said yesterday that wasn't explained.
There's no way the new rules won't affect NHS recruitment when we're already woefully short, is there going to be a drive to train and recruit from the current population?
Same with social care. If we have to recruit from the indigenous population wages are going to go up and thus costs, will they be passed on to the elderly given limits have been put on how much they can take off people?
Overseas students subsidise UK students, if overseas numbers now drop, which they're predicted to, will fees go up?
Would be good to hear if they have a plan for all this.
Pretty much what Yvette Cooper was saying in response. She was also pointing out that employers were allowed to employ for example an engineer on 20% lower wages as an immigrant compared to a British engineer which is also linked to a drop off in training British engineers. Labour’s plan is apparently to drop the discount for foreign workers and invest in training in fields like engineering to address the labour shortages.
We are going to have to have a root and branch reform of the education system if we want British engineers. The subject is seen as something to put shitty boys on in my experience and not a respected profession like it is in other countries.
We need to start moving high performing students away from finance and towards Maths and Engineering. But wages are so low compared to anywhere else, we’ll likely be training them to leave.
We really need a proper industrial strategy.
I know you'll disagree with my funding idea but I said this is where we should have directed the HS2 money.
A normal functioning country that's world's 6th biggest economy would be financing both.
We need both. Productivity is in the toilet because all our infrastructure is shite whether it’s human or not.
I honestly think a lot of it is down to the weird class system in this country that values law and finance and PPE and not Maths and Physics and Engineering.
It's also down to the remuneration finance, particularly the city, can offer someone with a head for maths, Gary Stevenson has spoken about this.
Thing is when you’re bright you’re looking at the world market as well. I could triple my salary in the states and probably by 50% in almost any other developed nation.
Finance pays, but tech and engineering doesn’t. Honestly not sure why that is. In almost all skilled professions we’re known as a low wage country.
This is the kind of thing I want to see Labour promoting. It’s a multi faceted solution that will help with immigration and the workforce skills gap to just begin with 2 benefits -We are going to have to have a root and branch reform of the education system if we want British engineers. The subject is seen as something to put shitty boys on in my experience and not a respected profession like it is in other countries.
We need to start moving high performing students away from finance and towards Maths and Engineering. But wages are so low compared to anywhere else, we’ll likely be training them to leave.
We really need a proper industrial strategy.
We are going to have to have a root and branch reform of the education system if we want British engineers. The subject is seen as something to put shitty boys on in my experience and not a respected profession like it is in other countries.
We need to start moving high performing students away from finance and towards Maths and Engineering. But wages are so low compared to anywhere else, we’ll likely be training them to leave.
We really need a proper industrial strategy.
This is the kind of thing I want to see Labour promoting. It’s a multi faceted solution that will help with immigration and the workforce skills gap to just begin with 2 benefits -
This is what progressive should look like.
Instead we see Shadow ministers coming out talking about the Rwanda scheme being not value for money rather than outright objection to it, or offering a meaningful alternative.
Surely that must concern you too?
Agreed. Pretty much what I’ve been saying for the past few years. Incentivise those in certain skill shortage areas and likely requirements in future. Bursaries, zero/reduced tuition or vocational course fees etc in certain sectors would be the first stage. Tie this assistance into working in the country for X years post completion
Second, as you say, is trying to better align and/or improve the salaries where there’s shortages, especially if that’s something like social care which government can directly influence. It can indirectly influence something like tech with incentives for businesses etc although more difficult to change wages
I know it’s just repeating myself but as a country we’ve got addicted to cheaper imported labour. It was refreshing to see the long term NHS staff plan, about time ! but ones been needed for the country as a whole for donkeys years…or at the very least since Brexit
ps not sure about the recent changes to immigration policy. Some of the changes feel like they’re likely to cause more issues though. Devils in the details I guess.
Austerity is a massive driver of demand for cheap labour
Oh, look what’s at the top of my Twitter feed…
Oh, look what’s at the top of my Twitter feed…
What are we supposed to draw from this
That comes from your false assumption that people who want left wing policy in the Labour party want it to be fronted up by the politicians you mention. The second post on his thread is absolute nonsense drivel and says that he's the crank.
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