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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (198 Viewers)

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shmmeee

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  • Dec 24, 2023
  • #32,761
SBT said:
It’s a joke about spiking a woman’s drink with an illegal drug that’s synonymous with date rape in order to impair her judgment.

I’m not saying it’s the greatest scandal in political history but this is a strange hill to die on!
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Ill die on the hill of not intentionally pretending you don’t know how jokes work every day.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 24, 2023
  • #32,762
SBT said:
I’m not saying it’s the greatest scandal in political history
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No. tbf the offhand jokes in private, if edgy or bad taste or whatever, are probably not the thing to go after politicians on (we'd never stop!), and also tbf it'll all die down and be forgotten soon enough. There's plenty enough to criticise them for, both in terms of competence and morality, in their policy after all!

I mean, changing the law to toughen up on drinks spiking is a good thing (a rare good thing for this government!).
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 24, 2023
  • #32,763
Deleted member 5849 said:
No. tbf the offhand jokes in private, if edgy or bad taste or whatever, are probably not the thing to go after politicians on (we'd never stop!), and also tbf it'll all die down and be forgotten soon enough. There's plenty enough to criticise them for, both in terms of competence and morality, in their policy after all!

I mean, changing the law to toughen up on drinks spiking is a good thing (a rare good thing for this government!).
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Its a shitty precedent that ends up with shite like the Beer Korma nonsense or Jess Phillips “stab him in the front” or “call off the dogs” whoever that was, judge politicians on policy and what they actually said not on the worst possible interpretation you can imagine.
 
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  • Dec 24, 2023
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shmmeee said:
Its a shitty precedent that ends up with shite like the Beer Korma nonsense or Jess Phillips “stab him in the front” or “call off the dogs” whoever that was, judge politicians on policy and what they actually said not on the worst possible interpretation you can imagine.
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The end of the Mirror article also says "conversations at Downing Street receptions are usually understood to be “off the record”. The Sunday Mirror decided to publish what Mr Cleverly said because we believe these are exceptional circumstances given his role as Home Secretary and the subject matter."

I'm not sure it is really, it seems a bit of shitty tactic really, and one that could open the floodgates. Once you do that, too, then it starts to lose its impact if you do get a Trump like character where you really do need to show how what he says can lead to dangerous situations.

It's a bit like Johnson's 'let the bodies pile high' comment during Covid, I could imagine somebody (especially with his way of speaking!) saying that in private in frustration in a difficult time. Forget that, focus on his utter ineptitude in not turning up to the important meetings, reading the docs, or taking the advice from experts - plenty enough there to show him as a shit politician!
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 24, 2023
  • #32,765
Look the other way now, while we do something opposite to what we say.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 30, 2023
  • #32,766
The new years honours list, what a joke.
That cow Truss handing them out to her cronies, what a pathetic nation we are.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 30, 2023
  • #32,767
clint van damme said:
The new years honours list, what a joke.
That cow Truss handing them out to her cronies, what a pathetic nation we are.
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I still can’t believe she continues to blame the “left-wing economic establishment” for bringing her down. She’s a fucking idiot.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 30, 2023
  • #32,768
Sick Boy said:
I still can’t believe she continues to blame the “left-wing economic establishment” for bringing her down. She’s a fucking idiot.
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If Argentina had gone first?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 30, 2023
  • #32,769
clint van damme said:
The new years honours list, what a joke.
That cow Truss handing them out to her cronies, what a pathetic nation we are.
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Yes and no, as much as they are a joke they should be looked at as a joke.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 4, 2024
  • #32,770

Starmer rules out breaking Labour’s fiscal rules to meet £28bn green target

Statement is clearest sign yet party is willing to drop one of its headline policies in face of Conservative attacksUK politics live – latest updates
www.theguardian.com

Everything will continue to be eye-wateringly expensive and unsustainable everybody but you can take comfort in the fiscal rules being adhered to.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 5, 2024
  • #32,771
Another by-election incoming. Tory MP quits. In a change of pace on an actual principle not a flounce or in disgrace.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 5, 2024
  • #32,772
skybluetony176 said:
Another by-election incoming. Tory MP quits. In a change of pace on an actual principle not a flounce or in disgrace.
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Who is it?

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Sick Boy

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  • Jan 5, 2024
  • #32,773
fernandopartridge said:
Who is it?

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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Skidmore.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2024
  • #32,774
Sick Boy said:
Skidmore.
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Why do they all have funny names?
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 5, 2024
  • #32,775
Environment minister,diffences over licences to drill?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 5, 2024
  • #32,776
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dutchman

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  • Jan 6, 2024
  • #32,777
I'ts amazing how many MPs suddenly realise they're not really Tories (or Labour) just before an election which they expect to lose.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 6, 2024
  • #32,778
dutchman said:
I'ts amazing how many MPs suddenly realise they're not really Tories (or Labour) just before an election which they expect to lose.
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You on about the minister for the environment?
 

dutchman

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  • Jan 6, 2024
  • #32,779
clint van damme said:
You on about the minister for the environment?
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Yes.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 6, 2024
  • #32,780
dutchman said:
Yes.
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He’d already announced that he wouldn’t be standing for election at the next GE, he’s resigned early on a single point of principle.
 

dutchman

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  • Jan 7, 2024
  • #32,781
skybluetony176 said:
He’d already announced that he wouldn’t be standing for election at the next GE, he’s resigned early on a single point of principle.
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He's so 'principalled' he's forcing his hard-pressed local council to spend £250,000 on an election for a seat which is scheduled to be abolished at the next general election anyway.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 7, 2024
  • #32,782
dutchman said:
He's so 'principalled' he's forcing his hard-pressed local council to spend £250,000 on an election for a seat which is scheduled to be abolished at the next general election anyway.
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I never said he was principled (plural) I said that he resigned on a single principle (singular).
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 7, 2024
  • #32,783
Ian's Bone legacy might still live on

Conservatives pick Peter Bone's partner as candidate for his old seat - BBC News

North Northamptonshire councillor Helen Harrison becomes Tory candidate in Wellingborough by-election.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,784
So Sunak has interest in stripping that woman from the post office of CBE (rightly so) will he be so keen to go after a few others like Mone?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,785
Think we need a total clean out of the Lords. Look at balance of expertise and contribution levels and cut it down to size and have a proper committee that makes appointments instead of the PMs mates.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,786
Terry Gibson's perm said:
So Sunak has interest in stripping that woman from the post office of CBE (rightly so) will he be so keen to go after a few others like Mone?
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Call me cynical but I think that the governments sudden interest in the post office scandal is precisely because it keeps the public distracted from things like the Mone scandal.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,787
skybluetony176 said:
Call me cynical but I think that the governments sudden interest in the post office scandal is precisely because it keeps the public distracted from things like the Mone scandal.
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I think it’s as much that it’s been on tv so very much on wider public’s radar. The politicians are all over it. Hardly been a peep before

ps people should be sent down if they’ve perjured
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,788
shmmeee said:
Think we need a total clean out of the Lords. Look at balance of expertise and contribution levels and cut it down to size and have a proper committee that makes appointments instead of the PMs mates.
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100%. The concept of the lords is fine/good but the whole things been abused for years.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,789
Sunak saying that they need to look at Fujitsu is a mistake for them given that one of his SoS's husbands was on the board, then CEO and then Chairman of their UK arm during all of this.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,790
CCFCSteve said:
100%. The concept of the lords is fine/good but the whole things been abused for years.
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Spectacularly undemocratic. That's not a fine / good concept surely
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,791
Deleted member 5849 said:
Spectacularly undemocratic. That's not a fine / good concept surely
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Not everything has to be democratic. That’s the sort of thing that leads to Mail headlines about unelected bureaucrats.

The point of the Lords is to provide balance to the populism of the Commons with expertise from around society. In theory it’s a good concept. The selection criteria just need to be better so it doesn’t get stuffed with political glad handlers.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 8, 2024
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shmmeee said:
The point of the Lords is to provide balance to the populism of the Commons with expertise from around society
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No, that's what you would like it to be. Who picks the committee? The government? What happens when the committee is Johnson Give and Truss?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,793
Deleted member 5849 said:
Spectacularly undemocratic. That's not a fine / good concept surely
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I was talking about having the lords as a second chamber is fine/good. How you fill it and with how many has been the issue for far too long
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,794
Deleted member 5849 said:
No, that's what you would like it to be. Who picks the committee? The government? What happens when the committee is Johnson Give and Truss?
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Well this is what needs fixing, but it’s not beyond the wit of man to find a constitutional arrangement that makes it harder for PMs to just appoint their hairdresser or whatever.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 8, 2024
  • #32,795
I just don’t see what another load of Nadine Dorries’ and Richard Burgeons are going to do for democracy. Our MPs are woefully shortsighted and have huge knowledge gaps, and there should be some way of getting good people into the process that doesn’t involve elections that generally attract weirdos and power hungry weirdos.
 
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