Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Do you have proof of that?
Do you have proof of that?Most of the prosecutions and cover ups were under the Blair years
Most of the major political cover ups started sometime after 2009 when Computer Weekly first reported that their were major bugs with the software.Do you have proof of that?
Do you have proof of that?
hahahaThe prosecutions stated in 1999 - the system was under a labour government and the cover up scripts at call centres were led by Mandleson and co
hahaha
If anyone wants the none fantasy version of Peter Mandelson's involvement you just need to google the "mulgan note"
It relates to a review in 1998 before the system was in place and related to a later dropped benefit payment function that wasn't in the rolled out software.
Mandelson was by December 1998 no longer the minister responsible for Royal Mail and in 1999 when the system went live he was SoS for Northern Ireland
i was talking about you claiming Mandelson was scripting call centre replies but Harriet Harman said in 1998 that it may fail to achieve it objectives regarding the same benefits payment functions that Mandelson spoke about and she did this in her capacity as SoS for DWP. Once again these functions were not in the rolled out verisonI asked when was the first prosecution? Also did Harriet Harman not raise concerns in 1998 regarding documentation issues regarding the software? I think Private Eye exposed the scandal in 2000?
i was talking about you claiming Mandelson was scripting call centre replies but Harriet Harman said in 1998 that it may fail to achieve it objectives regarding the same benefits payment functions that Mandelson spoke about and she did this in her capacity as SoS for DWP. Once again these functions were not in the rolled out verison
the first press report was in 2009 in Computer Weekly by Rebecca Thomson
‘Systemically, seriously wrong’: the 20-year quest to reveal Post Office IT scandal
People behind characters in the ITV drama describe their efforts to highlight Horizon software injusticeswww.theguardian.com
it would of been in the blair years but what does that actually matter? at that point in time no one outside maybe a few people at a computing company new of any issuesWhen was the first prosecution?
it would of been in the blair years but what does that actually matter? at that point in time no one outside maybe a few people at a computing company new of any issues
this is why it took 5 years of digging for CW to get enough to actually be able to break a story on it
you tell me as it is widely reported and accepted that first story on the subject was in 2009When did Private Eye first publish the concerns?
you tell me as it is widely reported and accepted that first story on the subject was in 2009
Google doesn't seem to bring up anything either so please show us all where Private Eye publish claims that the system was causing issues so widespread?
Most of Manchester City's success was under a Tory government.Most of the prosecutions and cover ups were under the Blair years
You are trying to make it party political
I on the other hand am more than happy to praise former Tory MP and now Peer Lord Arbuthnot for his work in proving the issues existed and the supplier and the post office were covering them up.
who is being defensive? You just accused 2 people of being involved when they were notI don’t know why your getting so defensive
2009-10When also was the peak of criminal prosecutions?
2009-10
Keir starmerWho was the head of the CPS then?
there were 3 convictions dealt with by the CPS in Stamers time as DPP so 3 cases out of 4 million dealt with during his timeWho was the head of the CPS then?
Apparently he wanted to protect his reputation.Lee Anderson has resigned. Tough times
it's also meaningless who was DPP as the vast majority of cases in england and wales (all apart from 3) were private prosecutions so the CPS was not the prosecutorKeir starmer
Keir starmer
Are you going to acknowledge that the CPS only dealt with 3 cases during Starmers time as DPP?The point surely is all 3 major parties have conspired to protect themselves in this grubby scandal and ultimately to protect the grubby political institution they all represent. No party is fit for purpose anymore - it’s a revolving door of uninspiring leaders who are only interested in playing a game to flatter their own egos. Politics is dead in this country - it’s a flat line of zombie politicians
Well I agree with you, yet not long ago you seemed happy that we had this Americanised, popularity contest form of politicsThe point surely is all 3 major parties have conspired to protect themselves in this grubby scandal and ultimately to protect the grubby political institution they all represent. No party is fit for purpose anymore - it’s a revolving door of uninspiring leaders who are only interested in playing a game to flatter their own egos. Politics is dead in this country - it’s a flat line of zombie politicians
Are you going to acknowledge that the CPS only dealt with 3 cases during Starmers time as DPP?
Can you try not to answer with a nonsense word salad next time?I asked a question David. The fact is you back a man who makes U turn after U turn - who now will arm the Saudis, who will toady to the US - who stands for absolutely nothing or represent anybody
Well I agree with you, yet not long ago you seemed happy that we had this Americanised, popularity contest form of politics
I asked a question David. The fact is you back a man who makes U turn after U turn - who now will arm the Saudis, who will toady to the US - who stands for absolutely nothing or represent anybody
Not at that level of apathy just yet, this current government need booting ASAP and then we’ll see what Starmer does. Though apparently the constituency boundary changes will cut into whatever majority he getsI think I have voted for Tories 4 times. I think twice under thatcher and Johnson and I may have with Major - I can’t recall. To my eternal shame I voted Lib Dem once under Clegg.
Other than that I’ve voted green in most elections as they like animals
I probably regret not voting for Corbyn and McDonnell in 2017 as they would have I suppose offered an honest form of politics as Thatcher vs Kinnock did - Corbyn and his nonsense over brexit ruined him in 2019
I doubt I’ll be bothering to vote again
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