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dongonzalos · Mar 13, 2016

Know anyone who has decided to stop going to CCFC matches because they want to go to Wasps matches instead?

Anyone I know who have attended Wasps matches are either not from Coventry or have taken the family die to some deal. However they still go to Cov matches, or have no interest in football.
I just don't see from my own experience Wasps stealing our fan base?

Si80 · Mar 13, 2016

I know 3 CCFC season ticket holders that also have season tickets at Wasps too.

I guess it's possible to watch both huh? Crazy times!

stupot07 · Mar 13, 2016

I know a few on Twitter who have stopped going to the city and now have wasps season tickets. I'd had to unfollow a few because they kept going on about how bad sisu were for moving us, but are now fully fledged wasps fans. NOPM for sisu, but have wasps STs.

There will be those that go to both and there will be those that go to wasps who don't like football.

This is about the future Don, not now, 5,10,15 years time.

Starting this thread is such a knobhead thing to do, how old are you? 5? This is classic attention seeking behaviour.

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rob9872 · Mar 13, 2016

Since both are under supported and can't play home games at the same time, I wonder if they've considered a dual venture to have a combined season ticket and share the revenue. Even better for wasps as they would get the f&b revenue too. Not for me though it's bees not wasps that is my alternative sport.

dongonzalos · Mar 13, 2016

stupot07 said:
I know a few on Twitter who have stopped going to the city and now have wasps season tickets. I'd had to unfollow a few because they kept going on about how bad sisu were for moving us, but are now fully fledged wasps fans. NOPM for sisu, but have wasps STs.

There will be those that go to both and there will be those that go to wasps who don't like football.

This is about the future Don, not now, 5,10,15 years time.

Starting this thread is such a knobhead thing to do, how old are you? 5? This is classic attention seeking behaviour.

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"Knobhead thing to do"
yes clearly I am the 5 year old

I can't see Wasps stealing Cov Fans.
From my own experience it just isnt happening. You have seen it happen. So what's wrong with asking if anyone else is experiencing it to get an idea how prevalent it is and how much of a concern it is, if any.

dongonzalos · Mar 13, 2016

rob9872 said:
Since both are under supported and can't play home games at the same time, I wonder if they've considered a dual venture to have a combined season ticket and share the revenue. Even better for wasps as they would get the f&b revenue too. Not for me though it's bees not wasps that is my alternative sport.

A partnership of sorts is the only sensible option I can see.
It would give Wasps the security of tying the football club down to a long term commitment.
They are not really competitive in terms of fan base (IMO)
You could reduce costs on marketing, advertising, physios, sports psychologists, community projects. Media, PR, offices. Training facilities, sponsorships ect.....
Obviously CCFC would unlikely to be able to negotiate half of all F & B,
However if they could open it up a lot more, combined with cost savings in joint ventures on staff and other costs.
It could definitely be a feasible option.

dongonzalos · Mar 13, 2016

Si80 said:
I know 3 CCFC season ticket holders that also have season tickets at Wasps too.

I guess it's possible to watch both huh? Crazy times!

I could see that happening

stupot07 · Mar 13, 2016

dongonzalos said:
"Knobhead thing to do"
yes clearly I am the 5 year old

I can't see Wasps stealing Cov Fans.
From my own experience it just is happening. You have seen it happening. So what's wrong with asking if anyone else is experiencing it?

Nothing wrong with asking, but as we were debating this on a other thread, it didn't really warrant another thread.

Even OSB has said going forward this is a concern, as in the future 5-10-15 years time. I don't get what point you're trying to prove.

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dongonzalos · Mar 13, 2016

stupot07 said:
Nothing wrong with asking, but as we were debating this on a other thread, it didn't really warrant another thread.

Even OSB has said going forward this is a concern, as in the future 5-10-15 years time. I don't get what point you're trying to prove.

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I don't think most people read the Wasps threads. So was hoping to get the opinion of as many people as possible. This is more CCFC related as it it aimed at CCFC fans to see if they are experiencing fellow fans choosing Wasps instead. My hope is it isn't as big a concern as some would think. Otherwise the future is very bleak. I think whether Wasps blossom or not is irrelevant to the CCFC fan base and vice verser. The only key factor that will impact on the CCFC fan base is performances on the pitch

stupot07 · Mar 13, 2016

dongonzalos said:
I don't think most people read the Wasps threads. So was hoping to get the opinion of as many people as possible. This is more CCFC related as it it aimed at CCFC fans to see if they are experiencing fellow fans choosing Wasps instead. My hope is it isn't as big a concern as some would think. Otherwise the future is very bleak. I think whether Wasps blossom or not is irrelevant to the CCFC fan base and vice verser. The only key factor that will impact on the CCFC fan base is performances on the pitch

The question is too black or white, for example it doesn't include those that now go to less ccfc games than they used because they have wasp st/ or regulars..

Or those that go to wasps but only attend "big games" at ccfc.

Or those that go to less ccfc games because they go to "big games" at the wasp

Or those that only go to ccfc away games, but go to the odd wasps home game, etc.

It also ignores the wasps schools programme competing against ccfc in trying to engage new young fans.

A lot of this will happen over time, fans gradually going to both, and slowly choosing a preference between one or an another.

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Samo · Mar 14, 2016

Ah those lovely Wasps, they are no harm to anyone.

There is nothing more pitiful than those who haven't even noticed they are being fucked.

Hobo · Mar 14, 2016

Samo said:
Ah those lovely Wasps, they are no harm to anyone.

There is nothing more pitiful than those who haven't even noticed they are being fucked.

It is even more pitiful some people haven't even noticed we were being fucked before Wasps even arrived.

skybluetony176 · Mar 14, 2016

stupot07 said:
Nothing wrong with asking, but as we were debating this on a other thread, it didn't really warrant another thread.

Even OSB has said going forward this is a concern, as in the future 5-10-15 years time. I don't get what point you're trying to prove.

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About the 5-10-15 years thing. Wasps are very proactive with chasing support of the young. Since they arrived at the Ricoh they have been to my daughters school twice. CCFC haven't been once in the whole five years since my eldest started school. If we're in competition with them for young supporters in the Coventry and Warwickshire area we'd better start being more proactive.

SkyBlueZack · Mar 14, 2016

Dongo wants us to slowly merge into wasps the football team. Hates sisu but wants to jump into bed with another hedge fund who moved their club further than sisu. What a guy you are!

Nick · Mar 14, 2016

Looks like the typical fingers in ears, doesn't happen type thing.

It does happen, I know about 3 people like it.

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 14, 2016

dongonzalos said:
Know anyone who has decided to stop going to CCFC matches because they want to go to Wasps matches instead?

I met some just the other week, in fact.
They also used to go to CRFC 'when they were in the city':facepalm: but have ended up going to Wasps partly because they got free tickets early on, and now'because of the social side, it's good fun. It's always more fun with a big crowd, and our friends go too so it's always a chance to meet up.'

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 14, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
About the 5-10-15 years thing. Wasps are very proactive with chasing support of the young. Since they arrived at the Ricoh they have been to my daughters school twice. CCFC haven't been once in the whole five years since my eldest started school. If we're in competition with them for young supporters in the Coventry and Warwickshire area we'd better start being more proactive.

Agree. Don't want to like your post because the content ain't great but... it's all very well saying what CCFC do (and I'm sure they *do* do certain things) but it's pretty clear Wasps absolutely *have* to be proactive to get fans, and that sets them in competition.

MK had to take this approach to get fans to turn up there... and that was without competition from an established sports side with a local identity.

dongonzalos · Mar 14, 2016

SkyBlueZack said:
Dongo wants us to slowly merge into wasps the football team. Hates sisu but wants to jump into bed with another hedge fund who moved their club further than sisu. What a guy you are!

I don't hate SISU.
Assumptions make an.........

I am just realistic about the only viable way forward for the club. I can raise above my personal dislike for what the owners of Wasps did to their fans.

Anyway back to the question do you know anybody who has given up on CCFC for Wasps?

letsallsingtogether · Mar 14, 2016

No.
But I do know about 10 who do both City and Wasps.
Some do all home games for both and some just go to odd Wasps games but all City home games.
I suppose there must be some of my old mates who have given up on City years ago who might go to wasps, I know some go to the Ice hockey.
TBF this has nothing to do with the Club coming in, more to do with having had enough of the same old shit at the City.

If City cared more about their supporters gave us a decent team to get us promoted, then they wouldn't have to worry about other teams in the City.
PUSB

Nick · Mar 14, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
No.
But I do know about 10 who do both City and Wasps.
Some do all home games for both and some just go to odd Wasps games but all City home games.
I suppose there must be some of my old mates who have given up on City years ago who might go to wasps, I know some go to the Ice hockey.
TBF this has nothing to do with the Club coming in, more to do with having had enough of the same old shit at the City.

If City cared more about their supporters gave us a decent team to get us promoted, then they wouldn't have to worry about other teams in the City.
PUSB

I'd say we do have a decent team for League 1 in terms of players, they just aren't playing as a team

At least the Telegraph are back on the Wasps train again today!

letsallsingtogether · Mar 14, 2016

Nick said:
I'd say we do have a decent team for League 1 in terms of players, they just aren't playing as a team

At least the Telegraph are back on the Wasps train again today!

A team we do not own.
I will never stop going whole we play in Cov, but many more will be lost forever the longer we stay in this shit league.
That in turn gives them time to do other things like supporting other sports teams ether locally or futher afield. Lost forever and posibly taking their children the same way.

Nick · Mar 14, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
A team we do not own.
I will never stop going whole we play in Cov, but many more will be lost forever the longer we stay in this shit league.
That in turn gives them time to do other things like supporting other sports teams ether locally or futher afield. Lost forever and posibly taking their children the same way.

We are in League One, I'd say most teams are in the same position with short contracts and loans.

SkyBlueZack · Mar 14, 2016

Surely people should support their team regardless of the league there playing in? Surely we would get to a stage where we would only require one league? A team we may not own but also a team we were enjoying watching and proud of at the start of the season. A team that if had won the league would of gone down in history as heroes. We need to build a larger fan base who are loyal to add to the loyal fans we currently have.

Samo · Mar 14, 2016

Hobo said:
It is even more pitiful some people haven't even noticed we were being fucked before Wasps even arrived.

What on earth makes you suggest I hadn't?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 14, 2016

I don't think it's a case of people dropping there ccfc season tickets to go out and buy wasps tickets, I'm thinking more about the 5-10k missing fans from the championship days whose loyalty isn't as strong as others. With another successful club to support its going to be much harder to win these fans back without being in the premier league,

Just my opinion but if we were lying 12-17th in the championship I don't think we would see any significant increase in attendances, probably average around 10-13k plus the occasional local derby,

dongonzalos · Mar 14, 2016

CCFC said:
I don't think it's a case of people dropping there ccfc season tickets to go out and buy wasps tickets, I'm thinking more about the 5-10k missing fans from the championship days whose loyalty isn't as strong as others. With another successful club to support its going to be much harder to win these fans back without being in the premier league,

Just my opinion but if we were lying 12-17th in the championship I don't think we would see any significant increase in attendances, probably average around 10-13k plus the occasional local derby,

I agree getting a kicking week in week out in the championship will not bring back crowds. A genuine crack at the championship play offs would beat any attraction to Wasps hands down.

shy_tall_knight · Mar 14, 2016

I know a few season ticket holders from the championship days with WASPS STs but don't even watch Cov now. Where we have lost a lot is the floating fan 2/3 games a year, definitely chossing WASPS at Xnas over CCFC. Also think they will have a big impact on lost commercial revenue, WASPS matchday experience would seem better to an indifferent fan.

Covstu · Mar 14, 2016

For me its city or nothing, I don't follow Rugby so don't have the faintest interest in going to a Wasps or England game for that matter. I now people who used to follow city who now have ST's at Wasps (seems good value to be fair).
They are still on a charm offensive on the city to try and get loyal and long term fans whereas our owners are not competing with them on that front however football will always be a more attractive option in my opinion.

Our club hasn't helped itself given our position and history over the last 10 years, if we were positioned as a club 'going places' then I think our attendance would increase. If I had my choice I would say each ST could bring an under 10 sibling free of charge, this would attract more people and ensure its affordable for all. This wouldn't hurt the bank balance too but could secure future fans in the next 10-15 years.

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

Covstu said:
For me its city or nothing, I don't follow Rugby so don't have the faintest interest in going to a Wasps or England game for that matter. I now people who used to follow city who now have ST's at Wasps (seems good value to be fair).
They are still on a charm offensive on the city to try and get loyal and long term fans whereas our owners are not competing with them on that front however football will always be a more attractive option in my opinion.

Our club hasn't helped itself given our position and history over the last 10 years, if we were positioned as a club 'going places' then I think our attendance would increase. If I had my choice I would say each ST could bring an under 10 sibling free of charge, this would attract more people and ensure its affordable for all. This wouldn't hurt the bank balance too but could secure future fans in the next 10-15 years.

Thing is with all this 'charm offensive' stuff, rugby and football are two completely different sports and I dare say that those who really love rugby aren't so interested in football (for most people I know it is either one or the other) and those who love football aren't so interested in rugby.

Not a definitive science of course and there is crossover, but I don't think there would be many at all who would switch sports just like that.

lifeskyblue · Mar 14, 2016

I've lived in Leicester for 35yrs but it is still CCFC for me. Been season ticket holder since 60s apart from years I was at uni. I couldn't support another football team even if city folded completely.
As for rugby I played at school and enjoy the game but I would never say I was a big fan. I have never travelled to Coventry to watch wasps but a few times a year do go and watch the tigers but couldn't say I was a real fan.

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Nick · Mar 14, 2016

Otis said:
Thing is with all this 'charm offensive' stuff, rugby and football are two completely different sports and I dare say that those who really love rugby aren't so interested in football (for most people I know it is either one or the other) and those who love football aren't so interested in rugby.

Not a definitive science of course and there is crossover, but I don't think there would be many at all who would switch sports just like that.

A lot of people I know who have been / go don't really know much about Rugby, they have been for the beer and because it was free!

Hobo · Mar 14, 2016

Yes they are different sports and have their own fan base. The floating support will gravitate to the successful/entertaining team at any given time. Amongst the floating support are kids who potentially could be long term fans of one or the other or both.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 14, 2016

dongonzalos said:
I agree getting a kicking week in week out in the championship will not bring back crowds. A genuine crack at the championship play offs would beat any attraction to Wasps hands down.

12-17th wouldn't be getting a kick in week in, week out though.

It would be comfortably safe from relegation which would be a fantastic achievement

eastwoodsdustman · Mar 14, 2016

I know a right miserable bastard who stopped going up and started 'supporting' wasps. He only goes to the odd wasps game (usually when he gets free tickets) and moans like fuck about the football team now. He was full on with his blind support of the council over their shafting of the club as well. Personally I think we're better off without him.

Otis · Mar 14, 2016

eastwoodsdustman said:
I know a right miserable bastard who stopped going up and started 'supporting' wasps. He only goes to the odd wasps game (usually when he gets free tickets) and moans like fuck about the football team now. He was full on with his blind support of the council over their shafting of the club as well. Personally I think we're better off without him.

You watch him come crawling back if we get in the play-offs though.

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