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Coventry's City's Chris Badlan: From building site to building teams
Coventry Citys head of recruitment Chris Badlan talks to Sky Sports News about the newly-promoted Championship clubs transfer strategy
I was thinking this. 1 of my fav films and book is good tooChris Badlan reminds me of Paul DePodesta - the analytical guy from the film 'moneyball'.
Now all we need is a 20 game winning streak!I was thinking this. 1 of my fav films and book is good too
Robins is Billy beane?
It's funny the oakland As are my fav baseball team(before I saw moneyball) and now looks like cov using data similarly too
Even players like mason hiwulla bright Chaplin Thomas were all good even if didnt get promoted that year"Fankaty Dabo (Coventry's player of last season), Marko Marosi, Michael Rose, Kyle McFadzean and Callum O'Hare all came in on free transfers, while less than £1m was spent on the club's top goalscorer last season Matty Godden"
That line from the article perfectly sums up how great the recruitment department has been in the last couple of years. Under a million for 6 players who collectively could be worth £10-£15m (and I've just plucked those figures out of thin air).
Kastaneer? Never going to get them all right.Even players like mason hiwulla bright Chaplin Thomas were all good even if didnt get promoted that year
Barret and that guy with 3 barell name were leaguen2 so before badlan. I am trying to think of s truly bad signing
Maybe junior brown and agogo
Even players like mason hiwulla bright Chaplin Thomas were all good even if didnt get promoted that year
Barret and that guy with 3 barell name were leaguen2 so before badlan. I am trying to think of s truly bad signing
Maybe junior brown and agogo
But the jury is out on the cheap european players. Not Hamer, he cost money - that's different and looks to be a real star
But Kastaneer, Jobello, Hissner and Dacosta were all cheapies. One of those four has to become a regular to warrant continuing with that strand in recruitment. Kasta is an almost certain failure, Jobello and Hissner are ok in so far as we know but probably won't set the world on fire. Dacosta is an unknown.
This strategy was an interesting and exciting innovation by the club which set them apart from most others. But we won't even begin to know whether it is a success until Dacosta and Jobello are fit and Hissner's lost a bit of weight.
I was thinking this. 1 of my fav films and book is good too
Robins is Billy beane?
It's funny the oakland As are my fav baseball team(before I saw moneyball) and now looks like cov using data similarly too
But the jury is out on the cheap european players. Not Hamer, he cost money - that's different and looks to be a real star
But Kastaneer, Jobello, Hissner and Dacosta were all cheapies. One of those four has to become a regular to warrant continuing with that strand in recruitment. Kasta is an almost certain failure, Jobello and Hissner are ok in so far as we know but probably won't set the world on fire. Dacosta is an unknown.
This strategy was an interesting and exciting innovation by the club which set them apart from most others. But we won't even begin to know whether it is a success until Dacosta and Jobello are fit and Hissner's lost a bit of weight.
Tell me about it I am reading the book as we speak because I loved the nfilm so much watched it twice over lockdownThis article and the ‘Moneyball’ comparisons came at a weird time because I only watched the film last week when I was off work sick.
Ironically, the analytical approach the A’s used was based off analytical models used in other sports, and football (our football) was one of the sports that pioneered this - the Opta Index came out in 1996.
As sports fans, we generally do our judgements based on the ‘eye test’ - if a player looks good, we like him even if the statistics don’t reflect that.
It’s just about having a system whereas before we had nothing in place and just randomly signed whoever was around.
Thinking about it it’s inevitable we will but it’s nit inevitable that we won’t have planned for it and have a replacement in mind who may be even better.Exactly.
Best demonstrated by the Jim Smith debacle.
And then Adams panic purchase of Kevin Kyle for a very inflated price - a player who simply did not fit our team and was not scouted properly. I actually have a lot of sympathy for KK as it was hardly his fault that he was a panic purchase and we paid so much.
These days there would be a plan B and C in place if someone like McSheffrey was sold; everything is so much more organized and professional.
Typically as a Cov fan I'm now beginning to worry that we will lose Badlan - would be a huge loss as he's been such a big part of our success.
I'm hopeful that just as Badlan has a list of potential signings for every position Boddy has a list of potential replacements for staff members should any of them get poached from above.Exactly.
Best demonstrated by the Jim Smith debacle.
And then Adams panic purchase of Kevin Kyle for a very inflated price - a player who simply did not fit our team and was not scouted properly. I actually have a lot of sympathy for KK as it was hardly his fault that he was a panic purchase and we paid so much.
These days there would be a plan B and C in place if someone like McSheffrey was sold; everything is so much more organized and professional.
Typically as a Cov fan I'm now beginning to worry that we will lose Badlan - would be a huge loss as he's been such a big part of our success.
Kastaneer? Never going to get them all right.
I think Jobello can be classed as a good signing. Kastaneer has something in him, just not set the world alight yet. As for the other two, too early to tell really.
I don't think you can qualify Kastaneer as anything less than a poor signing. If I remember correctly, Badlan had followed Kastaneer's career since he was playing in Netherland's U17 team. That's 7-8 years of keeping tabs on him. Also, wasn't there also a promise that we would get a 'Championship quality' player in Kastaneer?
I think this is potentially one issue with using data analytics within football with regards to scouting players, as it unfortunately cannot ascertain the character of the player. Which in my opinion is a crucial factor that should be actively considered when a club decides to bring a player in.
Obviously, you can't get them all right though and undoubtably, Kastaneer won't be the last poor signing that we make as every transfer has an element of risk attached to it.
All agreed and well known to everybody. That was the point behind the strategy - skilled european players that nobody has noticed, at less cost, who would join us partly for the chance of being spotted by bigger clubs and get really big money. Or something like that. Definetely worth a concerted shot as an extra string to the bow in addition to transfer fees, frees, youth, development and loans.I'm pretty sure Badlan has touch on this before, but players with the technical qualities/Characteristics of Kastaneer, Hilssner, Jobello are so much cheaper abroad. To buy players with the same sort of quality from the UK would be extortionate. Like Kastaneer though, comes with a much higher risk whether you can get them to settle though..
Even players like mason hiwulla bright Chaplin Thomas were all good even if didnt get promoted that year
Barret and that guy with 3 barell name were leaguen2 so before badlan. I am trying to think of s truly bad signing
Maybe junior brown and agogo
Kastaneer may well be a case to show how much we use the analytics. I imagine in those Kastaneer comes very high, but it's the 'intangibles' that have made him unsuccessful - attitude, work ethos etc. So while I'm happy for the vast majority of our scouting to be done on database stuff as you're likely to come up with more hit than misses as players will put the effort in there's still room for good old fashioned scouting and research.
Tell me about it I am reading the book as we speak because I loved the nfilm so much watched it twice over lockdown
Stats can be very interesting. Unless in a chess format...
I was thinking exactly this while I was reading that Sky article. Kasta has all the requisites to be a good footballer. What the analytics don't show is the mental side, his attitude, personality and how easily he would fit in with the existing squad. I'm sure he, like Bright before him, would excel in almost any European team who have a lot more flexibility and patience when it comes to characters and their eccentric sides. Unfortunately for both of them, the English setup doesn't and the team is more important than the individual.
agreed, and during his tenure Robins' success rate is well above average. The European thing is the only question mark. To view it as a success, one of Kast, Job, Hiss & Dacost has to become a regular first teamer, with two a bit like Shipley - in and out.no one gets it 100% right.
Our success rate over the last couple of years has been very impressive.
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