Doug King - Spineless (3 Viewers)

To be honest I’d suggest he has fairly big bollocks to make a decision like this.

A small brain though on the flip side.

Maybe it shows DK has ambition

Bigelvesy said:

It hasnt gone unnoticed that this decision has been made when there is nearly two weeks until the next home game (also on sky)

A cowards decision to sack Robins now, and aim to control the reaction with his “fans forum” infront of a couple of hundred (at most) rather than face the music at a home game in front of 10’s of thousands.

He’ll hope to have a new appointment in place by then that will change the atmosphere and sentiment in the ground.

I have been firmly in the “Doug has good intentions camp” up until this point. I simply cannot get behind this decision and the manner in which it has been carried out.

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Presumably he has done it now to give the new manager an international break to train in.

People are so desperate to see the worst in DK.

Ccfcisparks said:

To be honest I’d suggest he has fairly big bollocks to make a decision like this.

A small brain though on the flip side.

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It's pretty the opposite of spineless to sack a successful popular manager

Bigelvesy said:

It hasnt gone unnoticed that this decision has been made when there is nearly two weeks until the next home game (also on sky)

A cowards decision to sack Robins now, and aim to control the reaction with his “fans forum” infront of a couple of hundred (at most) rather than face the music at a home game in front of 10’s of thousands.

He’ll hope to have a new appointment in place by then that will change the atmosphere and sentiment in the ground.

I have been firmly in the “Doug has good intentions camp” up until this point. I simply cannot get behind this decision and the manner in which it has been carried out.

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After watching last night and the sub par performances that have been offered up to so far this season, politely I’d have to disagree.

skybluecam said:

People are so desperate to see the worst in DK.

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Don't talk rubbish

clint van damme said:

Don't talk rubbish

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Doug's a Nazi? Maybe he is Gimoc's source

clint van damme said:

Don't talk rubbish

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Could be Trump’s younger brother

Frankly_Mr_Shankly said:

Maybe it shows DK has ambition

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Or maybe he does not understand how football clubs work?

In time we will see. If he does what the Forest owner has done then it may not be all that bad.

Doug would be spineless if he did nothing and nothing changed. I just think it came a bit early.

skybluecam said:

Presumably he has done it now to give the new manager an international break to train in.

People are so desperate to see the worst in DK.

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What new manager?

shmmeee said:

What new manager?

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The one we appoint in the coming days?

skybluecam said:

The one we appoint in the coming days?

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The club have said Carr will be manager for Sunderland.

Don’t think he spineless. Wrong, yes. Spineless no.

clint van damme said:

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This seemed a little more appropriate.

shmmeee said:

The club have said Carr will be manager for Sunderland.

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Yes, and I would expect a new manager to be appointed shortly afterwards.

The anti Doug movement is exhausting. Times like this really show how fickle some football fans really are.

The timing is odd, feels knee jerk but you have to be honest and accept that we haven’t been very good for a while and there’s a significant amount of investment now on the line. Not even Robins is invincible to the nature and reality of the business we’re in.

Love robins but what if the play off final was the closest we ever got with him, dougs shown some bollocks to be honest, won’t know if he’s made the right choice until may but what if he has, something had to change and unfortunately it’s always the manager, maybe the next manager takes us the extra step ?

I think he’s made the right decision , something hasn’t been right this season and Robins looked a tired man, the future will prove Doug right or wrong

We have been absolutely shit all season.
Tactically we are clueless.
Our signings for me were fucking horrendous.
The players look fucking clueless and also look like they are being coached by Sunday league fucking coaches.
Our defence is absolutely embaressing, cheers recruitment staff.

Is this all on Robins?

I doubt it. Robins takes the blame for how shit our performances have been, the lack of tactical proactivity and general ability to give the fans like 27 thousand there last night anything to he optimistic about.

Now who can honestly get Joel, Binks, Thomas and Kitching playing at a high level in there positions? For me and I have banged on about them for a while. They are tactically poor, display absolutely no leadership. Fall apart given any amount of pressure from opposition. Loui Binks is stick thin, does he have potential? I'm not so sure, when you look at his qualities he is good at running forwards with a football and can play a long cross out to the right wing from centre back.

Again recruitment paid 4 million for Kitching but was Robins responsible for identifying Kitch, Thomas, Joel, DaSilva, Binks and Milan? Because only 1 out of the 5 actually possesses real quality, this isn't good enough.

Midfield: then: Hamer, Sheaf, O'Hare, Palmer, Kelly, Allen and Eccles

Now: Torp, Eccles, Sheaf, Rudoni and Allen

Forwards then Gyok, Tavares, Godden, Walker, Maguire and the other clueless idiot that moved on to Derby.

Now: Wright, Simms, Asante, Sakamoto, Tavares, Bassette, Mason Clarke

Maybe it was Robins doing their job but I highly doubt it, Recruitment has done a terrible.job.

We all know central midfield was absolutely number 1 priority so I won't mention this position but
In my opinion we needed to desperately sure up our defence.
This would have been an absolute priority, 2 absolute solid experienced quaility at centre back for example Mcnally, Hyam, Doyle, I would have utilised the loan market where possible.

A goalkeeper that is ready to be number 1 at this level would have been next in line.

For me this is solely on recruitment. We got rid of the culture of our club, the Fadz, Godden, Kelly, Rose, Hamer, O'Hare even Hyam.

These were strong characters, even O'Hare created incredible chemistry with us fans, as did Hamer.

I feel like we only have Milan with that kind of chemistry now.

The new group lack leadership and fight, you can blame it on age, but Hamer and Doyle as an example had it in abundance.

I don't know what the answer is but sacking Robins seems to be absolutely ludicrous, give him the Shef United job and guess what they get promoted. This is down to recruitment and the players on the pitch.

shmmeee said:

The club have said Carr will be manager for Sunderland.

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Which is before the international break,

Very sad and upset Robins has gone, but we'll only truly know if this was good or bad come 6 months or so time.

If we're sat in the Play-Offs come May, then DK will look like a genius. Maybe Robins had taken us as far as he good (let's be honest we had a lot of luck to reach the last PO Final).

On the other hand, this could make us implode. I really don't know, but somethings not/wasn't right behind the scenes.

MalcSB said:

Which is before the international break,

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Not can he not pay for a season ticket, he can't read a fixture list

clint van damme said:

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Someone needs to recreate this video with Doug King as Hitler.

MalcSB said:

Which is before the international break,

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We’ll see. The impression I got from the press release is we haven’t even started looking yet.

I’m not convinced a period where half the squad is out the country is the perfect time for a new manager anyway TBH.

We’re going to hire someone in time for the window to open and the massive holes in the squad Doug insisted on get filled aren’t we?

Frankly_Mr_Shankly said:

Maybe it shows DK has ambition

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Can 100% be seen that way but if the next appointment is poor he will be at risk of further dealing with falling player values alongside falling attendances.

Robins was let down in the summer by the lack of investment in midfield and with all the changes with coaches this season, more than any other season we were going to start slowly and we are around last year's total.

Logic tells me there must have been a rub with Robins and someone and that's either King or someone King sees as more important than Robins. On a purely footballing basis with past achievements and history factored in he surely should have had until the new year to get us performing consistently.

quinn1971 said:

Love robins but what if the play off final was the closest we ever got with him, dougs shown some bollocks to be honest, won’t know if he’s made the right choice until may but what if he has, something had to change and unfortunately it’s always the manager, maybe the next manager takes us the extra step ?

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This season will be all about consolidation. Expecting the new head coach to get us promoted this season is unrealistic.

Sick Boy said:

This season will be all about consolidation. Expecting the new head coach to get us promoted this season is unrealistic.

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We're 14 games into the season and 7 points off the play-offs with a squad Robins was expected to be a title contender with. Why should the expectations be any lower for the new guy?

Sick Boy said:

This season will be all about consolidation. Expecting the new head coach to get us promoted this season is unrealistic.

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Is it? This is the same as the “oh the new coaches can’t be expected to show results yet”. Loads of other managers have instant impact. In fact I’d argue almost all the successful ones do. The whole point of deviating from the last seven years of consistency has to be an immediate change in direction otherwise what’s the point?

Now we’re back on the merry go round I hope if, as is statistically likely, we appoint a dud we pull the trigger sooner rather than later. Whoever it is is working with the assigned coaches and players so there’s no more “he needs to build his own squad” buffer either.

ccfc1234 said:

Can 100% be seen that way but if the next appointment is poor he will be at risk of further dealing with falling player values alongside falling attendances.

Robins was let down in the summer by the lack of investment in midfield and with all the changes with coaches this season, more than any other season we were going to start slowly and we are around last year's total.

Logic tells me there must have been a rub with Robins and someone and that's either King or someone King sees as more important than Robins. On a purely footballing basis with past achievements and history factored in he surely should have had until the new year to get us performing consistently.

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I thought he’d have got until Xmas, so I think DK knows who he wants and now is the time to get him. This is why I think it’s Carsley.
This season has been poor and there’s no one that can say any different.

shmmeee said:

We’ll see. The impression I got from the press release is we haven’t even started looking yet.

I’m not convinced a period where half the squad is out the country is the perfect time for a new manager anyway TBH.

We’re going to hire someone in time for the window to open and the massive holes in the squad Doug insisted on get filled aren’t we?

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I think that impression they are giving is just managing the optics. But then I am a paranoid cynic.

Darth Robins said:

We're 14 games into the season and 7 points off the play-offs with a squad Robins was expected to be a title contender with. Why should the expectations be any lower for the new guy?

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Where we seen as title contenders apart from on here?

Sick Boy said:

Where we seen as title contenders apart from on here?

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BTA said it was the expectation in his first interview after signing.

Sick Boy said:

Where we seen as title contenders apart from on here?

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Most independent outlets had us finishing between 6th and 3rd tbf.