Early kick offs - the future? (2 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Just heard on the radio that (I think it said Macclesfield) have changed a kick off time to 1pm as a trial with a view to doing it regularly to save on powering the floodlights.

Wonder if it will catch on and will the authorities sanction it? Unlikely to affect the premiership

 

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[chiefdave]

don't see how the authorities can stop it, not like every other game is 3pm Saturday anymore.

saw a chap from Lords on Sky Sports Cricket saying they were trying to keep the floodlights off as much as possible. He did say how much they cost to run at the moment and it was a big number.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Just heard on the radio that (I think it said Macclesfield) have changed a kick off time to 1pm as a trial with a view to doing it regularly to save on powering the floodlights.

Wonder if it will catch on and will the authorities sanction it? Unlikely to affect the premiership

Has to be sensible surely given energy price rises. The old 3pm on a Saturday match time being the norm went years ago.

 

[theferret]

Has to be sensible surely given energy price rises. The old 3pm on a Saturday match time being the norm went years ago.

That would have to be weighed against loss of income from reduced gates. We can all tolerate the odd early kick off, but should it become the norm away days would become far less attractive and followings would suffer. Not only that, those who work Saturday mornings and those who play Saturday morning football would find it hard to make games.

 

[pusbccfc]

Atmosphere is never as good for an early kick off but I don't mind it for home games. Have the rest of the day to actually live a little outside of football.

The issue is when we play Sunderland at 12pm.

 

[robbiethemole]

Hang on! the good old Tories are cutting energy cost to businesses by 50%, so that old chestnut of 'we can't afford it' wont wash

 

[Skyblueweeman]

I've heard a few teams are looking at this over the winter months. Not sure if yesterdays news about the govt 'helping' small businesses will be of benefit to the clubs.

 

[JAM See]

Just heard on the radio that (I think it said Macclesfield) have changed a kick off time to 1pm as a trial with a view to doing it regularly to save on powering the floodlights.

Wonder if it will catch on and will the authorities sanction it? Unlikely to affect the premiership

Sounds like a great idea.

Dunno why 3.00PM is so set in stone. Is it tied to the old licensing laws, when the pubs had to close at 2.30?

I'd have no problem with a 1.00PM kick off, home or away.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Hate it.

Football is kept going by fans travelling all over the country home and away. Make it so that fans have to get up before they've gone to bed to attend games and many will give up. It'll have an effect on attendances, interest and eventually devalue the product.

Occasional games is fine but as a standard I don't like it at all.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

3pm Kos shark back to early victorian workers rights.....the factory act meant workers could not be made to work all of Saturday and were allowed to finish at 2pm.

If it wasnt for the act, many clubs including singers FC would never have even been formed.

 

[JAM See]

3pm Kos shark back to early victorian workers rights.....the factory act meant workers could not be made to work all of Saturday and were allowed to finish at 2pm.

If it wasnt for the act, many clubs including singers FC would never have even been formed.

Just spent an idle five minutes on Wikipedia reading about the various factories acts.

I feel more informed than I did five minutes ago.

I shall browse further.

Cheers @jimmyhillsfanclub

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hate it.

Football is kept going by fans travelling all over the country home and away. Make it so that fans have to get up before they've gone to bed to attend games and many will give up. It'll have an effect on attendances, interest and eventually devalue the product.

Occasional games is fine but as a standard I don't like it at all.

On that note it's a pity there aren't really football specials anymore.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

That would have to be weighed against loss of income from reduced gates. We can all tolerate the odd early kick off, but should it become the norm away days would become far less attractive and followings would suffer. Not only that, those who work Saturday mornings and those who play Saturday morning football would find it hard to make games.

I probably have a longer journey than most on here to home games, and am not a major fan of getting up early on Saturday mornings but i wouldn't have a problem with a 1pm start.

 

[fernandopartridge]

What an utter embarrassment of a country. The "dark days of the 70s" are effectively back after 40 years of neoliberalism

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[shmmeee]

What an utter embarrassment of a country. The "dark days of the 70s" are effectively back after 40 years of neoliberalism

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And still no sign of a plan to stop it happening again. Just “whoops, let’s give the rich more money, maybe that’ll work?”

 

[shmmeee]

If it was earlier, would that get around the streaming laws that stop Saturday games at the moment as well? I’m sure it’s something like 2-6.

Would surely decimate away attendances.

 

[pipkin73]

I would hope that if it does happen it's only temporary via the winter months and the war.

Come the spring months, back to normal and let's hope the war is over by then.

Some league clubs with 1,500 people couldn't afford the extra cost of floodlights last year, never mind this year. As long as it is only temporary and saves some clubs going to the wall I'm in for it.

This does not mean all clubs have to do this, it can be optional.

 

[bawtryneal]

What an utter embarrassment of a country. The "dark days of the 70s" are effectively back after 40 years of neoliberalism

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If you think it's bad in England I suggest you don't visit or relocate to Germany, France, Denmark,Poland or any of the the Scandanavian or Benilux region.
We are in good shape compared to them.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Common sense. If 'Putin' prices are affecting business and households as they are, then consumption needs to be minimised. Think there will be a few people who stick extra layers on before turning on boilers etc. That said the energy companies usually get round that by hiking up the standing charges, so that you get shafted even if you use next to nothing. A pain for sport, and us watching CCFC, but the bigger picture ought to put things in perspective.

 

[fernandopartridge]

If you think it's bad in England I suggest you don't visit or relocate to Germany, France, Denmark,Poland or any of the the Scandanavian or Benilux region.
We are in good shape compared to them.

In what objective measure?

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[Flying Fokker]

Just heard on the radio that (I think it said Macclesfield) have changed a kick off time to 1pm as a trial with a view to doing it regularly to save on powering the floodlights.

Wonder if it will catch on and will the authorities sanction it? Unlikely to affect the premiership

This was around in the so called ‘winter of discontent’1974. Mainly due to power cuts but there were some early kick-offs.

 

[Flying Fokker]

If you think it's bad in England I suggest you don't visit or relocate to Germany, France, Denmark,Poland or any of the the Scandanavian or Benilux region.
We are in good shape compared to them.

some Interesting figures in Europe. Both petrol and gas are taxed/subsidised differently. Germany is not averse to Nationalisation of failing businesses.

National fiscal policy responses to the energy crisis

www.bruegel.org

 

[shmmeee]

If you think it's bad in England I suggest you don't visit or relocate to Germany, France, Denmark,Poland or any of the the Scandanavian or Benilux region.
We are in good shape compared to them.

Been to lots of those recently, what exactly should I have noticed that was so bad? They all seemed OK.

 

[MalcSB]

If it was earlier, would that get around the streaming laws that stop Saturday games at the moment as well? I’m sure it’s something like 2-6.

Would surely decimate away attendances.

They would just change the rules (not laws as far as I know).

Earlier kick offs might reduce the number of pissed up/ coked up twats and make the match day experience more family friendly.

 

[Nick]

They would probably still need them unless it was really early.

1PM you might just get away with, if it's a dark and gloomy day though they would still need to be on.

 

[theferret]

Been to lots of those recently, what exactly should I have noticed that was so bad? They all seemed OK.

The topic being discussed is the price of energy, so his comment was specifically in relation to that. Unless you pay for the supply of domestic gas and electricity in Germany then of course you wouldn't notice anything, I'm not getting your point?

If you genuinely think the same cost of living pressures don't exist in the rest of Europe then that is proper head in the sand stuff. There have been mass protests in many European countries in response to rising energy prices, some of which have turned violent. The fact they are not covered in the media is hardly a surprise. Somebody farts in the US and it is news, thousands protest in the streets of Leipzig and nobody here knows or gives a shit.

 

[chiefdave]

They would just change the rules (not laws as far as I know).

Earlier kick offs might reduce the number of pissed up/ coked up twats and make the match day experience more family friendly.

Read that that there was due to be discussion at the EFLs last AGM to permanently scrap the 3pm blackout rule to allow all matches to be shown on ifollow. Can't find any reports on what conclusion, if any, they came to but it will happen at some point.

 

[mark82]

The topic being discussed is the price of energy, so his comment was specifically in relation to that. Unless you pay for the supply of domestic gas and electricity in Germany then of course you wouldn't notice anything, I'm not getting your point?

If you genuinely think the same cost of living pressures don't exist in the rest of Europe then that is proper head in the sand stuff. There have been mass protests in many European countries in response to rising energy prices, some of which have turned violent. The fact they are not covered in the media is hardly a surprise. Somebody farts in the US and it is news, thousands protest in the streets of Leipzig and nobody here knows or gives a shit.

We have the highest electricity costs in Europe but only 3rd highest in gas costs. Yay for us.

 

[shmmeee]

The topic being discussed is the price of energy, so his comment was specifically in relation to that. Unless you pay for the supply of domestic gas and electricity in Germany then of course you wouldn't notice anything, I'm not getting your point?

If you genuinely think the same cost of living pressures don't exist in the rest of Europe then that is proper head in the sand stuff. There have been mass protests in many European countries in response to rising energy prices, some of which have turned violent. The fact they are not covered in the media is hardly a surprise. Somebody farts in the US and it is news, thousands protest in the streets of Leipzig and nobody here knows or gives a shit.

Yeah they do, my Dutch in-laws are having a tough time, but not as bad as us and they have the option to add solar and get paid the going rate so are doing that because it’s a no brainier. But their general standard of living is already higher than ours.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

We have the highest electricity costs in Europe but only 3rd highest in gas costs. Yay for us.

Both France & now Germany have nationalised energy providers, as the market for energy is damaging their domestic economy. In the UK we are borrowing £100 billion to subsidise the energy companies, which will inevitably boost their profits, to try and prevent more damage to our economy.
It'll be interesting to see which approach is cheaper for us the tax payer in the long term. I'm not hopeful for us!

 

[theferret]

Yeah they do, my Dutch in-laws are having a tough time, but not as bad as us and they have the option to add solar and get paid the going rate so are doing that because it’s a no brainier. But their general standard of living is already higher than ours.

That's just anecdotal. I lived in the EU and have friends that are scrambling to get home because they cannot afford to live and the Government does nothing for them. That's also anecdotal, the point being that people are suffering everywhere.

 

[theferret]

We have the highest electricity costs in Europe but only 3rd highest in gas costs. Yay for us.

I think that's right based on the price p/kWh, but is a recent change and once the price cap comes into play, that average unit price falls for most.

It's all relative though and there are a lot of other factors to consider when comparing nation to nation. We have relatively high average earnings here. Our minimum wage is now one of the highest in the world, only about 6 nations have a higher rate and only Switzerland and Luxembourg in Europe.

Our tax system is generally more progressive - we have a 12K personal tax allowance - no other major European nation allows you to earn that much without paying tax on it. We have things like tax credits and other in work benefits that simply don't exist in other European countries, as well as a fairly generous benefits system overall - although not perfect. Our state pension is pretty woeful though.

Point being is that it is hurting everywhere, but how much it is hurting low income families is down to much more that just the unit price of energy.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Baffling comment.

I can only think they think it's worse in Northern Europe because it gets colder?

 

[shmmeee]

That's just anecdotal. I lived in the EU and have friends that are scrambling to get home because they cannot afford to live and the Government does nothing for them. That's also anecdotal, the point being that people are suffering everywhere.

We’ve all lived in the EU

Not sure which country you’re on about but (and again remember all of these started with a higher standard of living and less inequality):

France: capped energy
Germany: cheap travel, cost of living payments, cut fuel duty signifiantly
Netherlands: reduced VAT and cost of living payments

 

[Frostie]

I'm not sure the PL or EFL will go for it but can definitely see Non League clubs pushing for it. In fact I know of some that have already asked permission.