Eastwood - worth at least a sub spot v Derby (2 Viewers)

johnwillomagic · Jan 10, 2012

I understand many people's frustration with Eastwood.

However given our striker shortage he is at least worhty of a place on the bench imo. If Juke is fit then Sheff and him should start up top & Eastwood and maybe ROD should both be on bench as offer something different.

If Juke & Platt both still injured then given fitness I suppose I would start with Sheff and either Rod or Baker up top. Eastwood should then def be on bench.

Despite peoples opinions on his attitude he has been international class something which ROD & Jeffers will never be, for that reason alone should be above them in pecking order! Thoughts

WillieStanley · Jan 10, 2012

johnwillomagic said:
Despite peoples opinions on his attitude he has been international class something which ROD & Jeffers will never be, for that reason alone should be above them in pecking order! Thoughts

Past accomplishes do not warrent any places if your currently not up to it. But the whole Eastwood saga baffles me!

Houchens Head · Jan 10, 2012

He's just a lazy git who clearly DOESN'T want to play for CCFC (not Cardiff!!)

sw88 · Jan 10, 2012

International class?? Im sure he played for Wales, not Brazil.....:facepalm:

To answer your question though, if he came through todays game unscathed, yes, give him a spot on the bench. We need all hands on deck, which is what most people have said all season.

sw88 · Jan 10, 2012

Houchens Head said:
He's just a lazy git who clearly DOESN'T want to play for CCFC (not Cardiff!!)

He'd probably play better for Cardiff. Seems the case with Gunnarsson

Nonleagueherewecome · Jan 10, 2012

If I see the word sub near Eastwood, I just assume that it's what he's eating...

skybluegod · Jan 10, 2012

i would love to see freddy back in the team i know a lot of people dont but it's proven that he knows where the goal is and when he is on form they dont play him.

Grendel · Jan 10, 2012

skybluegod said:
i would love to see freddy back in the team i know a lot of people dont but it's proven that he knows where the goal is and when he is on form they dont play him.

Proven when exactly? 20 in last 141 games?

Grendel · Jan 10, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
If I see the word sub near Eastwood, I just assume that it's what he's eating...

Brilliant! Probably one of those meatball ones with extra cheese! Probably a double!

ccfctommy · Jan 10, 2012

Here we go! A few goals in a reserve game and Eastwood mania begins!

Walking Bird · Jan 10, 2012

I still can't believe he was allowed to get himself into such a mess pre-season..
Unprofessional of him & the Club !!

stupot07 · Jan 10, 2012

Walking Bird said:
I still can't believe he was allowed to get himself into such a mess pre-season..
Unprofessional of him & the Club !!

It's not the clubs fault - each player gets an individually tailored fitness programme that they need to do over the break, it's the players responsibility to keep eating right and to complete their fitness programme.

sw88 · Jan 10, 2012

Walking Bird said:
I still can't believe he was allowed to get himself into such a mess pre-season..
Unprofessional of him & the Club !!

Shame hes not as professional as Lucas. He continued training all through the summer with his ex-Everton coach (Mick Rathbone) who later became our short term fitness coach for pre-season. And how that attitude and committment is paying off! Im sure if he hadnt continued with that training, we wouldnt have got half as much as we have got out of him so far this season! And to play on after so many knocks; the guy is a great assett, and shows the likes of Freddy (fitness and commitment wise) up.

johnwillomagic · Jan 10, 2012

Yes SW88.....Fair point about wales, Giggs, Ramsey, Morison, Bale.....useless the lot of em not fit to lace Jeffers & rod's boots eh! :facepalm::facepalm:

sw88 · Jan 10, 2012

johnwillomagic said:
Yes SW88.....Fair point about wales, Giggs, Ramsey, Morison, Bale.....useless the lot of em not fit to lace Jeffers & rod's boots eh! :facepalm::facepalm:

Are you for real? Yes, the players you mentioned have quality, but that doesnt make the team / Nation quality?? Its Wales FFS!

I presume you maintain that Eastwood is International class as you didnt dispute this part?

Nathccfc · Jan 10, 2012

sw88 said:
Shame hes not as professional as Lucas. He continued training all through the summer with his ex-Everton coach (Mick Rathbone) who later became our short term fitness coach for pre-season. And how that attitude and committment is paying off! Im sure if he hadnt continued with that training, we wouldnt have got half as much as we have got out of him so far this season! And to play on after so many knocks; the guy is a great assett, and shows the likes of Freddy (fitness and commitment wise) up.

It's obv has worked because last year juke was considered a lightweight and people were complaining that he got knocked off the ball too much and couldn't hold it up, how things have changed now.. Seems to have built some muscle and now gives as good as he gets. Doesn't rarely lose a header either, which I find quite surprising considering he's against players whose main job is he win headers and clear the ball .

skybluegod · Jan 10, 2012

sw88 said:
Are you for real? Yes, the players you mentioned have quality, but that doesnt make the team / Nation quality?? Its Wales FFS!

I presume you maintain that Eastwood is International class as you didnt dispute this part?

wales did fantasticly under gary speed and if they can continue playing like they did under him then they will be a very very good team.

sw88 · Jan 10, 2012

skybluegod said:
wales did fantasticly under gary speed and if they can continue playing like they did under him then they will be a very very good team.

OK, their a nation who are progressing, but I still maintain they are not considered International Class (by me of course, not speaking for anyone else). And I certainly wouldnt consider Freddy Eastwood International class, no matter his nationality (Or his nans as it is!).

Its like saying Mifsud was international class because he was Malta's best player!!

johnwillomagic · Jan 10, 2012

sw88 I am not saying Eastwood is international class now by any stretch....however was he international class in the past....yes....he played international football for Wales and did well at some stages!

All our other strikers including the workhorse that flatters to deceive Juke will not make it to the full international teams mark my words..... This effectively means that Eastwood has played at a much higher level than majority of our squad, apart from Clingan.

Wales are a decent team now and were not atrocious when Eastwood played for them.

My main point was Eastwood should be on bench if Juke fit and arguably in start xi if Juke does not make it and Platt is not fit. People mock him for scoring a brace in the reserves but as we do not have a reserve team there is not much more he can do to earn a place in the squad. I would rather we have a player with his skill than a workhorse who carries little threat like ROD.

Anyhow good to see Clingan get some minutes, any news on injuries to Platt & Bell? What was the xi that played the reserve game today anyone know?

pusbccfc · Jan 10, 2012

sw88 said:
OK, their a nation who are progressing, but I still maintain they are not considered International Class (by me of course, not speaking for anyone else). And I certainly wouldnt consider Freddy Eastwood International class, no matter his nationality (Or his nans as it is!).

Its like saying Mifsud was international class because he was Malta's best player!!

Mifsuds goal per game rating is easily international class.

johnwillomagic · Jan 10, 2012

sw88 I think you are confusing your interpretations......a player who has represented his country at full international level can call themselves "international class".....Now I think you mean "World class" that is a completely different matter.......however I would argue England have hardly any players as well not just Wales in that category! ...more's the pity

oh and obviously I do not think Fat Freddie is world class!.....if I came out with that you could lock me away and throw away the key! I just think he is on a wage and is worth a gamble this saturday ...even if only for 30 minute cameo!

sw88 · Jan 10, 2012

johnwillomagic said:
sw88 I am not saying Eastwood is international class now by any stretch....however was he international class in the past....yes....he played international football for Wales and did well at some stages!

All our other strikers including the workhorse that flatters to deceive Juke will not make it to the full international teams mark my words..... This effectively means that Eastwood has played at a much higher level than majority of our squad, apart from Clingan.

Wales are a decent team now and were not atrocious when Eastwood played for them.

My main point was Eastwood should be on bench if Juke fit and arguably in start xi if Juke does not make it and Platt is not fit. People mock him for scoring a brace in the reserves but as we do not have a reserve team there is not much more he can do to earn a place in the squad. I would rather we have a player with his skill than a workhorse who carries little threat like ROD.

Anyhow good to see Clingan get some minutes, any news on injuries to Platt & Bell? What was the xi that played the reserve game today anyone know?

Fair enough! I maintain, just because he's represented Wales (with a little help from his nan), IMO doesnt make him International Class. Not now, not when he represented them.

I agree with your other points. If fit, Freddie is being paid to do a job; we should let him do it. We've not seen much of him this season, and he's obviously decided now is the time he needs to buck up his ideas. If fit, he can still do a job (IMO he can be better than ROD and Jeffers without a doubt, but he needs to have his heart in it).

It is correct we dont have a reserve team and even if we did, that type of football is completely different to competitive football, so we should really wait to see him in the first team again, before deciding whether his CCFC career is over. Who knows, he might come back for the rest of the season and prove all us (I count myself in that) wrong!

Juke might make it to international level! His nans Polish isnt she?? He could use the same access as Freddie did with Wales

sw88 · Jan 10, 2012

pusbccfc said:
Mifsuds goal per game rating is easily international class.

That I agree with, but as he was their only proper player (well more or less)

sw88 · Jan 10, 2012

johnwillomagic said:
sw88 I think you are confusing your interpretations......a player who has represented his country at full international level can call themselves "international class".....Now I think you mean "World class" that is a completely different matter.......however I would argue England have hardly any players as well not just Wales in that category! ...more's the pity

oh and obviously I do not think Fat Freddie is world class!.....if I came out with that you could lock me away and throw away the key! I just think he is on a wage and is worth a gamble this saturday ...even if only for 30 minute cameo!

He most certainly isnt "world class" and if you were referring to that, I would be making sure that door was securly locked! Anyone who thinks this should not be allowed into the outside world. The men in white coats would certainly be on your case

skybluegod · Jan 10, 2012

kduffy said:
Proven when exactly? 20 in last 141 games?

he scores when he's in form get's dropped and then plays a match get's injured and doesn't score for ages

skybluegod · Jan 10, 2012

johnwillomagic said:
sw88 I am not saying Eastwood is international class now by any stretch....however was he international class in the past....yes....he played international football for Wales and did well at some stages!

All our other strikers including the workhorse that flatters to deceive Juke will not make it to the full international teams mark my words..... This effectively means that Eastwood has played at a much higher level than majority of our squad, apart from Clingan.

Wales are a decent team now and were not atrocious when Eastwood played for them.

My main point was Eastwood should be on bench if Juke fit and arguably in start xi if Juke does not make it and Platt is not fit. People mock him for scoring a brace in the reserves but as we do not have a reserve team there is not much more he can do to earn a place in the squad. I would rather we have a player with his skill than a workhorse who carries little threat like ROD.

Anyhow good to see Clingan get some minutes, any news on injuries to Platt & Bell? What was the xi that played the reserve game today anyone know?

platt had an injection and is able to play on saterday

Paxman II · Jan 12, 2012

Eastwood simply not fit...

...he went away to get fit but failed to turn up half the time...but should he get a chance regardless? 2 goals midweek yes but against who ?

Also I have on reasonable authority (which I can't say) that he is a disruption to the squad and not well liked.
It's known the players put money over the bar for family and friends and Freddies lot piss it up the wall before anyone else's family and invited friends gets a look in! Players are not happy with him and want him gone.

Now those of you who know me will also know I'm the last person to make stuff up. However this was from the horses mouth as they say.

Very unlikely he will get a start any time soon.

All this allegedly of course!

rob9872 · Jan 12, 2012

Gypsy in not paying his own way shocker. I bet he left his empty crisp packet on the table too.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jan 12, 2012

Paxman II said:
...he went away to get fit but failed to turn up half the time...but should he get a chance regardless? 2 goals midweek yes but against who ?

Also I have on reasonable authority (which I can't say) that he is a disruption to the squad and not well liked.
It's known the players put money over the bar for family and friends and Freddies lot piss it up the wall before anyone else's family and invited friends gets a look in! Players are not happy with him and want him gone.

Now those of you who know me will also know I'm the last person to make stuff up. However this was from the horses mouth as they say.

Very unlikely he will get a start any time soon.

All this allegedly of course!

I've heard similar about him being a lazy git and not exactly a great dressing room member. I agree Paxo-he hasn't earned another chance. That said, who are we going to play up front? Last man standing and all that.

CJparker · Jan 13, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
I've heard similar about him being a lazy git and not exactly a great dressing room member. I agree Paxo-he hasn't earned another chance. That said, who are we going to play up front? Last man standing and all that.

Frankly I'd rather have ROD, Jeffers or Platt - they may be sub-standard but at least they do try, unless Eastwood who has not turned up this season at all

Astute · Jan 13, 2012

Eastwood's simply not fit to wear our badge. Seems like another player only interested in the money. What has he done since "making the big time"?

@richh87 · Jan 13, 2012

Such a shame as on his day (when played in his proper position up front) he can be a good player.

I think we should play him. The others mentioned are crap.

Grendel · Jan 13, 2012

@richh87 said:
Such a shame as on his day (when played in his proper position up front) he can be a good player.

I think we should play him. The others mentioned are crap.

His day was 6 years ago 1 goal every 7 games says it all.

ricohroar · Jan 13, 2012

Yeah lets forget he has one of the better records at the club and go for ROD because he's a good boy, lol mupets

Grendel · Jan 13, 2012

ricohroar said:
Yeah lets forget he has one of the better records at the club and go for ROD because he's a good boy, lol mupets

20 goals in 141 games -- yes that is outstanding. Elliot Ward had a better goal ratio than that.

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