Eccles (1 Viewer)

PVA · Sep 3, 2024

Really don't get the hate.

He had a slow start to the season (and certainly wasn't alone in that), but generally I think he's excellent.

It was rumoured last year that some PL teams were looking at him.

Someone on here said the other day he wouldn't stand out in a League 2 team ffs!

Skyblue Bangkok · Sep 3, 2024

PVA said:
Really don't get the hate.

He had a slow start to the season (and certainly wasn't alone in that), but generally I think he's excellent.

It was rumoured last year that some PL teams were looking at him.

Someone on here said the other day he wouldn't stand out in a League 2 team ffs!

Criticism is not hate . In my opinion I think he's a very average player.

PVA · Sep 3, 2024

Wharton of course got bought for £20m

Hutch11 · Sep 3, 2024

He is a more than adequate championship midfielder
What those that claim he's no better than LG 1 are watching it beyond me

Perennial Lurker · Sep 3, 2024

Skyblue Bangkok said:
Criticism is not hate . In my opinion I think he's a very average player.

Judging by your posting history I don't think your opinion holds much sway

BlueSkiesForever · Sep 3, 2024

His stats seem decent but I’m still yet to be convinced that he affects games enough going forward for what his numbers say. I think he’s a good player to have in the squad but he still needs to be more confident and forward thinking to be classed as a championship great imo.

Maybe with a bit more experience and better players around him he’ll be better. I think maybe the fact the rest of the midfield and attackers have been so poor recently hasn’t helped, we need players like him to step up and make things happen in order to win games when our play is so lacklustre.

Hutch11 · Sep 3, 2024

I think a number of people watch him with blinkers on , confirmation bias
I said he's shite so I must be right even though the stats and performances would suggest just the opposite

Perennial Lurker · Sep 3, 2024

BlueSkiesForever said:
His stats seem decent but I’m still yet to be convinced that he affects games enough going forward for what his numbers say. I think he’s a good player to have in the squad but he still needs to be more confident and forward thinking to be classed as a championship great imo.

Maybe with a bit more experience and better players around him he’ll be better. I think maybe the fact the rest of the midfield and attackers have been so poor recently hasn’t helped, we need players like him to step up and make things happen in order to win games when our play is so lacklustre.

He has been guilty of not being progressive enough with his passing in previous seasons . This season he has been consistently looking for a forward pass and to get us on the front foot . Some of the moment in front of him at times has been very ordinary however .

Boicey · Sep 3, 2024

I think Eccles is an ok Championship level hardworking, no frills midfielder who doesn't hide, gets tackles in, breaks up play and does simple passing. He cant thread a ball through or run and break the line.
I don't mind him. The problem is we need another 2 midfielders to join him who have more ability going forward.

Frostie · Sep 3, 2024

It is funny that some of those who criticise Eccles for "playing sideways & backwards" are lauding the possibility of signing Matty James.

Perennial Lurker · Sep 3, 2024

Frostie said:
It is funny that some of those who criticise Eccles for "playing sideways & backwards" are lauding the possibility of signing Matty James.

He passes with leadership and experience though

shmmeee · Sep 3, 2024

Eccles issue is he’s decent at a few things and not outstanding at anything. You never sit back in appreciation of a stunning pass or how he’s got himself out of trouble and got us up the pitch. He doesn’t score screamers, doesn’t beat a man, but does everything else as well as any other CM at this level.

I’ll always advocate for a Ciry fan in the team, I think it gives something special. I just don’t think he’s what we need when Sheaf is out. When Sheaf is back Is have him ahead of Torp on current form though.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Sep 3, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
He has been guilty of not being progressive enough with his passing in previous seasons . This season he has been consistently looking for a forward pass and to get us on the front foot . Some of the moment in front of him at times has been very ordinary however .

Never more evident than Saturday when him and Torp were having to carry the ball foward more because of lack of movement up front.

Cally Fedora · Sep 3, 2024

Eccles is a good player. Solid championship stock. Our squad situation however means that he is absolutely pivotal for us now.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Sep 3, 2024

Skyblue Bangkok said:
Criticism is not hate . In my opinion I think he's a very average player.

Can I ask do you see the entire game or just extended highlights?
In the game on Saturday he was one of our few successes. Watching on tv you don't see work done off the ball of which him and Torp got through a hell of a lot due to the way the team was wrongly set up particularly in the 2nd half.

Skyblue Bangkok · Sep 3, 2024

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
Can I ask do you see the entire game or just extended highlights?
In the game on Saturday he was one of our few successes. Watching on tv you don't see work done off the ball of which him and Torp got through a hell of a lot due to the way the team was wrongly set up particularly in the 2nd half.

I was at the game on Sat

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Sep 3, 2024

Skyblue Bangkok said:
I was at the game on Sat

Sorry did not know.I just think some comments on Eccles in all the threads on here are unwarrented not just from you.I know we don't all see the game in the same way but surely Saturday he was one of our pluses.

Terry_dactyl · Sep 4, 2024

shmmeee said:
Eccles issue is he’s decent at a few things and not outstanding at anything. You never sit back in appreciation of a stunning pass or how he’s got himself out of trouble and got us up the pitch. He doesn’t score screamers, doesn’t beat a man, but does everything else as well as any other CM at this level.

I’ll always advocate for a Ciry fan in the team, I think it gives something special. I just don’t think he’s what we need when Sheaf is out. When Sheaf is back Is have him ahead of Torp on current form though.

I mean, when you say “never” I’m confident that I/we all have seen him play both stunning passes and do things that have got us out of trouble/ had moments of brilliance.
He’s not Kasey Palmer but then seemingly most wouldn’t want him to be that either.

shmmeee · Sep 4, 2024

Terry_dactyl said:
I mean, when you say “never” I’m confident that I/we all have seen him play both stunning passes and do things that have got us out of trouble/ had moments of brilliance.
He’s not Kasey Palmer but then seemingly most wouldn’t want him to be that either.

Maybe just me but I’ve not seen any wow moments like I have from Sheaf, Gus, Vik, etc

Terry_dactyl · Sep 4, 2024

shmmeee said:
Maybe just me but I’ve not seen any wow moments like I have from Sheaf, Gus, Vik, etc

Bear with me on This its a bit of a leap but did you ever see Didier Deschamps play? He was known as the ‘Water Carrier’. His job was to break up play and start attacks. Remind you of anyone?
I think we’ve seen flashes of the ‘moments’ from Eccles but it’s just not his job.

shmmeee · Sep 4, 2024

Terry_dactyl said:
Bear with me on This its a bit of a leap but did you ever see Didier Deschamps play? He was known as the ‘Water Carrier’. His job was to break up play and start attacks. Remind you of anyone?
I think we’ve seen flashes of the ‘moments’ from Eccles but it’s just not his job.

I don’t think he does the simple stuff well enough or has good enough game intelligence to be a Deschamps style water carrier. I think he’s a decent box to box midfielder that needs to believe in himself more and it’ll come. I thought his passing choices improved immeasurably against Norwich and he’s shown flashes of being able to spot and execute a pass. He needs to believe.

Terry_dactyl · Sep 4, 2024

shmmeee said:
I don’t think he does the simple stuff well enough or has good enough game intelligence to be a Deschamps style water carrier. I think he’s a decent box to box midfielder that needs to believe in himself more and it’ll come. I thought his passing choices improved immeasurably against Norwich and he’s shown flashes of being able to spot and execute a pass. He needs to believe.

Fair enough, you might be right and he might develop into a more expansive player. I do think I’ve seen performances like the Norwich game before which I guess is why I don’t understand the criticism he gets.

torchomatic · Sep 4, 2024

Reading this forum you would think Eccles is a world beater and Torp has never seen a football in his life before. Neither is true. Eccles is OK, but he constantly gives the ball away, misplaces passes. I feel pretty ambivalent towards him in all honesty.

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 4, 2024

torchomatic said:
Reading this forum you would think Eccles is a world beater and Torp has never seen a football in his life before. Neither is true. Eccles is OK, but he constantly gives the ball away, misplaces passes. I feel pretty ambivalent towards him in all honesty.

Few players have had a strong start to the season in fairness. Probably just MVE in reality

torchomatic · Sep 4, 2024

PVA said:
Really don't get the hate.

He had a slow start to the season (and certainly wasn't alone in that), but generally I think he's excellent.

It was rumoured last year that some PL teams were looking at him.

Someone on here said the other day he wouldn't stand out in a League 2 team ffs!

Not sure there's any hate for him. I don't think he's any better than Jordan Shipley was and look where he ended up.

BlueSkiesForever · Sep 4, 2024

With all those comparisons to Wharton, it does make you wonder why Wharton was picked up by Palace for a decent fee and yet there’s seemingly not been a single sniff of a transfer rumour for Eccles

(Don’t hate him, don’t want him to leave, just think he’s overhyped.)

PVA · Sep 4, 2024

torchomatic said:
Not sure there's any hate for him. I don't think he's any better than Jordan Shipley was and look where he ended up.

He's miles better than Shipley. Not even a contest!

Mr Panda · Sep 4, 2024

torchomatic said:
Not sure there's any hate for him. I don't think he's any better than Jordan Shipley was and look where he ended up.

Shipley and Eccles is night and day. Great left foot, but Shipley was only good if there were at least a 10 yard radius of space around him with no pressure.

Hutch11 · Sep 4, 2024

torchomatic said:
Reading this forum you would think Eccles is a world beater and Torp has never seen a football in his life before. Neither is true. Eccles is OK, but he constantly gives the ball away, misplaces passes. I feel pretty ambivalent towards him in all honesty.

Never seen anyone say he's a world beater just plenty of people stating the fact that he's not shite or league 1 standard

Grendel · Sep 4, 2024

Mr Panda said:
Shipley and Eccles is night and day. Great left foot, but Shipley was only good if there were at least a 10 yard radius of space around him with no pressure.

Some say he is premier league standard which he also isn't

torchomatic · Sep 4, 2024

PVA said:
He's miles better than Shipley. Not even a contest!

We'll have to agree to disagree. If Eccles could find a team mate with the ball occasionally I would be more convinced.

Jamesimus · Sep 4, 2024

torchomatic said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. If Eccles could find a team mate with the ball occasionally I would be more convinced.

Isn’t his passing accuracy pretty high for a centre mid in this division though (genuine question for the stattos)?

PVA · Sep 4, 2024

Jamesimus said:
Isn’t his passing accuracy pretty high for a centre mid in this division though (genuine question for the stattos)?

It's decent for short and mid length passes, but his overall completion rate is let down by a poor figure for long passes.

His short passing is better than Sheaf's.

Perennial Lurker · Sep 4, 2024

Jamesimus said:
Isn’t his passing accuracy pretty high for a centre mid in this division though (genuine question for the stattos)?

It is and when you prove that they roll out the he only passes sideways and backwards

Perennial Lurker · Sep 4, 2024

torchomatic said:
Not sure there's any hate for him. I don't think he's any better than Jordan Shipley was and look where he ended up.

Ridiculous

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