EFL Meeting 1pm today (17 Viewers)

Brighton Sky Blue said:

If it’s about money then a restructuring of the TV and solidarity payments is in order so money owed in a few years time is paid now. Or here’s a crazy thought perhaps the stupidly rich top flight sides could chip in a few million

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I think Darragh MacAnthony proposed such an idea but unfortunately that relies on the TV companies to cooperate.

Why would the Premier League help? They didn't help Bolton or Bury when the world wasn't in meltdown so why would they offer a helping hand now? I mean before public criticism forced them to reverse their decisions some of the elite clubs were even quite happy to furlough their own non-playing staff to save money. If that doesn't sum up their empathy levels then i don't know what does.

SkyBlueCRJ said:

I think Darragh MacAnthony proposed such an idea but unfortunately that relies on the TV companies to cooperate.

Why would the Premier League help? They didn't help Bolton or Bury when the world wasn't in meltdown so why would they offer a helping hand now? I mean before public criticism forced them to reverse their decisions some of the elite clubs were even quite happy to furlough their own non-playing staff to save money. If that doesn't sum up their empathy levels then i don't know what does.

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One or two clubs screwing themselves is one thing but if dozens of clubs are at risk then how do they hoover up the young players or develop them?

Skybluefaz said:

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Sued for what though? If football owners of cash-strapped clubs physically cannot afford to pay players their full salaries due to the current crisis I don't see how that is a suable offence. There's a bit of a difference between refusing to fulfil fixtures, and not being able to.

Ironic MacAnthony bleating on about white noise and agenda pushing given his previous history.

SkyBlueCRJ said:

Sued for what though? If football owners of cash-strapped clubs physically cannot afford to pay players their full salaries due to the current crisis I don't see how that is a suable offence. There's a bit of a difference between refusing to fulfil fixtures, and not being able to.

Ironic MacAnthony bleating on about white noise and agenda pushing given his previous history.

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Who is he ?

Otis said:

Wel, even a broken clock is right twice a day I suppose.

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Not if it's digital or on 24 hour mode

Brighton Sky Blue said:

One or two clubs screwing themselves is one thing but if dozens of clubs are at risk then how do they hoover up the young players or develop them?

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I think the principle is the same. If they help one club think how many will demand handouts. It's not just those in the EFL that are struggling, clubs across the football pyramid will need financial aid and Premier League clubs simply aren't going to gift that much money to that many clubs.

That's the issue but one that isn't a priority unfortunately. Some form of financial aid is almost certainly going to be needed as clubs are realistically going to be hugely affected by this until a vaccine is found - and that's probably best case scenario. Realistically we may not even be allowed back in football stadiums before then. We may follow Spain and Italy 's lead who are currently thinking about not letting anyone into such venues until 2021.

SkyBlueCRJ said:

Sued for what though?

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If you don't complete the season then anyone who has paid for broadcast rights, sponsorship & advertising or tickets would have a decent case I'd think. Basically anyone who has paid for something they haven't received.

Brylowes said:

Who is he ?

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Peterborough chairman
Quite active on twitter. Engages fans and seem quite engaging himself too.
Not frightened to put himself out there.
Has done a few podcasts (not listened to them) recently about the situation, other owners views - often seems at odds with Accrington chairman.
INTERESTINGLY - he mentioned a few weeks back that NONE of his first team squad are out of contract this summer.... which definitely helps in this situation!!!
(teams could end up with fewer players/loans after 30th June!)

chiefdave said:

If you don't complete the season then anyone who has paid for broadcast rights, sponsorship & advertising or tickets would have a decent case I'd think. Basically anyone who has paid for something they haven't received.

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You are "spot on", which is why the I feel the Premier league is certain to be completed otherwise they are liable for over £700M. In the Division 1 the scenarios may vary, but if the PL is completed, then 3 teams will be relegated and the EFL Championship will have to come up with some formulae to sort out promotion.....which would mean places for promotion from Div1. PUSB's

chiefdave said:

If you don't complete the season then anyone who has paid for broadcast rights, sponsorship & advertising or tickets would have a decent case I'd think. Basically anyone who has paid for something they haven't received.

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But if the decision to continue the season has been forced upon them despite a club showing physical proof that they will not be able to afford to play the remaining fixtures I think it's going to be a difficult case to make. Even more so because of to the amount of clubs that are going to be in the same boat. This will all be factored into the decision making of the EFL though I'm sure.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the decision is made to continue the season that some clubs will ask players to take a serious pay cut for the short term at least.

SkyBlueCRJ said:

But if the decision to continue the season has been forced upon them despite a club showing physical proof that they will not be able to afford to play the remaining fixtures I think it's going to be a difficult case to make. Even more so because of to the amount of clubs that are going to be in the same boat. This will all be factored into the decision making of the EFL though I'm sure.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the decision is made to continue the season that some clubs will ask players to take a serious pay cut for the short term at least.

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Players contracts still exist if the games are played or not so surely its to the clubs advantage to play games and get back whatever revenue they can? Furlough only covers a portion of wages. Surely we'd bring in more revenue from playing games than just claiming furlough and having to hand back tv money etc.

Doesn't our ticket price average to about a tenner. Sell streams for a tenner and with everyone stuck at home not allowed out of the house you'd expect a decent take up on that.

Otis said:

Wel, even a broken clock is right twice a day I suppose.

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But only for a minute

UEFA have announced a return of football in June and seem intent on completing the Champions league, so if the Premier league is scrapped in England UEFA could use it as an excuse to penalise English clubs from competing in the 20-21 season.

Colin Steins Smile said:

UEFA have announced a return of football in June and seem intent on completing the Champions league, so if the Premier league is scrapped in England UEFA could use it as an excuse to penalise English clubs from competing in the 20-21 season.

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I’d accept a ban on all clubs who take the piss with tycoons

chiefdave said:

Players contracts still exist if the games are played or not so surely its to the clubs advantage to play games and get back whatever revenue they can? Furlough only covers a portion of wages. Surely we'd bring in more revenue from playing games than just claiming furlough and having to hand back tv money etc.

Doesn't our ticket price average to about a tenner. Sell streams for a tenner and with everyone stuck at home not allowed out of the house you'd expect a decent take up on that.

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It certainly is better than ending the season now and I reiterated this the other day, but even with a streaming service, the running costs of many clubs will still be dire due to the significant reduction in footfall - and some clubs are going to be more effected by this decline more than others. This footfall also generates further income from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, F&B, parking, and mid-week revenue from corporate ventures which will all be lost. The point is will the smaller clubs be able to afford to unfurlough their players to play behind closed doors even with a streaming service?

So, how lucrative the stream will be will solely depend on the clubs' fanbase. Using Accrington as an example, a streaming service with an average seasonal average fanbase of around 2000-2500 isn't going to be as beneficial as it will for the Portsmouth's, Sunderland's or even Coventry's of the league. To make any kind of impact financially realistically clubs are going to have to play multiple games in a week, which is obviously already been discussed but then that begs the question of how many of those 2,000 - 2,500 fans will buy all the games in a given week when 2-3 games are being played? Will people look for illegal streams not not watch at all as they're trying to save cash? How many of those fans are families that will buy one match pass between 3-4? These questions obviously apply to all clubs throughout the EFL but it's far from ideal for clubs like Accrington who are already having to work off a small fanbase in comparison to other clubs in the league. Going back to our initial discussion, this is where the lines are a bit blurred on how viable MacAnthony's statement is about clubs potentially being sued. Whatever decision is made, not all clubs are going to benefit. That's a given unfortunately. Hence why I don't see where the case is for the more vulnerable clubs to be sued when a decision is effectively being made for them, during a time that is completely unprecedented. Certainly not unless their players willingly waive their salary for a short period - which I predict happening.

It won't be a tenner to the club though will it as the EFL take a certain percentage.

Colin Steins Smile said:

UEFA have announced a return of football in June and seem intent on completing the Champions league, so if the Premier league is scrapped in England UEFA could use it as an excuse to penalise English clubs from competing in the 20-21 season.

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Surprise surprise,no regard for lower clubs and only care about money

Sick Boy said:

Sources: English football's £1bn virus lifeline

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The proposal would see money distributed by football's governing bodies wherever it was most needed and then repaid at a negotiated rate of interest at a future date -- or perhaps converted into equity if all parties agreed.

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Huge alarm bells should be sounding reading that sentence.

chiefdave said:

Players contracts still exist if the games are played or not so surely its to the clubs advantage to play games and get back whatever revenue they can? Furlough only covers a portion of wages. Surely we'd bring in more revenue from playing games than just claiming furlough and having to hand back tv money etc.

Doesn't our ticket price average to about a tenner. Sell streams for a tenner and with everyone stuck at home not allowed out of the house you'd expect a decent take up on that.

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Many players contracts don’t exist as they are out of contract and the FL want to enforce extensions.

So the Stanley chairman is blaming other clubs for having far bigger fan bases than them. Not exactly our fault.

rob9872 said:

Not if it's digital or on 24 hour mode

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Or a sun dial

chiefdave said:

Huge alarm bells should be sounding reading that sentence.

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they are my Scottish wife has just opened her purse

The season will start early June behind close doors for a few games then for the last few games be back to normal regarding attendances after social distancing measures have been lifted.

CCFC54321 said:

The season will start early June behind close doors for a few games then for the last few games be back to normal regarding attendances after social distancing measures have been lifted.

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You got that from anywhere official?

Grendel said:

Many players contracts don’t exist as they are out of contract and the FL want to enforce extensions.

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Dont all footballer's contracts finish on 30th of June unless they have more than a 1 year .If we play after that there would be a problem but with all teams in the same boat i would think a deal would be done.

Tommo1993 said:

So the Stanley chairman is blaming other clubs for having far bigger fan bases than them. Not exactly our fault.

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He doesn't complain when they half fill his tinpot ground

CCFC54321 said:

The season will start early June behind close doors for a few games then for the last few games be back to normal regarding attendances after social distancing measures have been lifted.

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I would be shocked if fans were back in stadiums before September.

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CCFC54321 said:

The season will start early June behind close doors for a few games then for the last few games be back to normal regarding attendances after social distancing measures have been lifted.

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Just like it was going to start on April the 4th then 30th..... who really knows

Colin Steins Smile said:

You are "spot on", which is why the I feel the Premier league is certain to be completed otherwise they are liable for over £700M. In the Division 1 the scenarios may vary, but if the PL is completed, then 3 teams will be relegated and the EFL Championship will have to come up with some formulae to sort out promotion.....which would mean places for promotion from Div1. PUSB's

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Not necessarily. If the PL teams are relegated then all hey need to do is decide how to replace them via Championship promotion. If Champ decides not to relegate it could just as easily decide no promotion from L1 and thus L2 to maintain numbers. It's a minefield.

ceetee said:

But only for a minute

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or two

Sick Boy said:

I would be shocked if fans were back in stadiums before September.

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Agreed. In Eire it has been announced today that no mass gatherings of more than 5,000 will be allowed until at least 1 September-

Super Graham Withey said:

In Eire it has been announced today that no mass gatherings of more than 5,000 will be allowed until at least 1 September-

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How have they arrived at 5000 as an acceptable figure?

CCFC54321 said:

The season will start early June behind close doors for a few games then for the last few games be back to normal regarding attendances after social distancing measures have been lifted.

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Social distancing measures will not be lifted

chiefdave said:

How have they arrived at 5000 as an acceptable figure?

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And how can they say September 1 with any real conviction, we could easily be in the
Midst of a second wave by then.

Maybe Andy Holt should cancel plans for the new stand if Stanley are broke.

All teams trying to void the season should be put into league two next year and replaced by the teams in league two that are prepared to actually participate in the game. See if that focusses a few minds, if it is about financial security and player and staff wellbeing then they wouldn't mind the drop.