bigfatronssba
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I think thats unlikely with the rise of the SNP. Labour doesn't have the support in England to get a decent majority.
Fairly sure the next time Labour get in they will be in for a very very long time. The Tories will only have themselves to blame for their weakness and complacency.
In fairness though such are the blurred lines that most Tory voters would be happy under a Labour Government and barely notice the difference for a few years at least. I think the most interesting thing will be the make up of any coalitions. I wonder how the Lib Dems feel about getting into bed with the Tories last time? Turned them into even more of a bit part player if the polls are to be believed. Even nutty Nige is better placed
I'm voting for Any Other.
He seems the most honest candidate.
Even Michael Portillo on last night's This Week declared Miliband the likely PM.
and even he is a lying scumbag..
That was before the Ed Tablet
...back on the point, it is clear that no one can really predict the result with any confidence.
My wife sees the same things at the school she works at, anybody who thinks this country is on the up should see some of the things she does.I voted Conservative last time, and I think they have let down the country massively... no matter how much spin and bullshit he peddles.
The thing that gets me more than anything is working in an inner city school... I see child poverty every day, kids whose parents can't afford to heat their homes or feed their children more than once a day - it sickens me to the core. When I see that he is doing absolutely fuck all about eradicating it in the 21st century... and then telling us he can justify spending £70 billion on HS2 so some overprivileged c**t can travel in first class to London 20 minutes quicker than he could before.
My wife sees the same things at the school she works at, anybody who thinks this country is on the up should see some of the things she does.
Itdoesnt have to be this harsh and It doesn't require the stigmatization of the poorest / lowest in society
The selling off of Social housing Illustrates for me the utter stupidity of their policies
Allowing people to buy their council house was one of the best policies any government has ever done to help working class people.
My grandparents were beyond poor in their youth, for them to be able to own thier house that they had rented for 30 years was a dream for them. Everyone should have the oportunity to own their own home, if more people owned their home they work take more pride in its appearence, instead of some of the shitholes we see people willing to live in.
It's a bullshit policy this time around. Didn't particular work last time as they never really replaced the housing stock.
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I would agree that this time round it seems as though much of the finer detail hasn't been worked out well, however the principle is still a great idea.
I would agree that this time round it seems as though much of the finer detail hasn't been worked out well, however the principle is still a great idea.
It worked well in the '80's as well, the fact that subsequent governments didnt build enough social housing since then is a seperate issue.
The majority of the financial crisis was caused by negligence of people at the top end of the social structure. It has been the bottom end that has paid the price for it.
Is there a party that is really going to address this properly?
I guess this comes down to ideology. For me there should be no need for social housing. The long term goal of the government should be for everyone to own their own home, and all efforts should be made to make owning a home as easy as possible.
Social housing is a symptom of the economic and social problems that we have.
Didn't particular work last time as they never really replaced the housing stock.
I would agree that this time round it seems as though much of the finer detail hasn't been worked out well, however the principle is still a great idea.
It worked well in the '80's as well, the fact that subsequent governments didnt build enough social housing since then is a seperate issue.
No, because as unfair as it might be, there is nothing that can be done about it.
I agree with the first bit, in an ideal world there would be not welfare state, there would be no poverty, there would be no need for social housing, etc. I don't agree that everyone needs to own, there are benefits to renting (more mobility, etc), but renting needs to be stable, affordable with long term rental options like they have on the continent.
Unfortunately at the minute we need social housing, and no matter how many buy their house there will be an equal amount of people desperate sat on the waiting list for social housing stuck in high private rent, as the stock gets sold off. Perhaps the tory's should limit the number of properties people can buy to a max 2? Can't see that going down well.
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Thatcher cemented the class structure even further
Its great aspiration to own your own home
However that sell off has helped create a shortage of that type of accommodation
It was good enough through the 50'to 70's
filled with proud working class folk, real communities.
You can rent a furnished two bed apartment as a young four person family In the cities of Germany while earning €3K a month for €125.a month
This preoccupation with home ownership Is not prevalent on the continent and their economies are less likely to flounder because of the economy being based on hipper expensive property
This allows a mother to not have to work and nurture the children,I guess it also prevents young fathers on low wages here turning to UKIP or worse because they're competing for rented property against 4-5-&6 eastern Europeans chipping in for one household while driving his wages down
The danger of basing your economy largely around the property sector has been proved likely to fail
Yet why?
I can't say I was aware In this country that their was massive defaulting going on when the crash came, more a failure of confidence started by Journalists like Micheal Peston
The solution If as we were told the bubble caused the whole thing would and should have been to distribute the hundreds of billions to the people with the problem, Homeowners and to be fair the rest of the population in some form of tax rebate rather than the banks who held on to it
I would be in favour of that. IMO one of the biggest things to cause the housing shortage is people buying a load of houses and then renting them out. It distorts the market, and causes the quality of housing stock to drop (private landlords generally spend as little as possible on maintenance etc).
Fairly sure the next time Labour get in they will be in for a very very long time. The Tories will only have themselves to blame for their weakness and complacency.
In fairness though such are the blurred lines that most Tory voters would be happy under a Labour Government and barely notice the difference for a few years at least. I think the most interesting thing will be the make up of any coalitions. I wonder how the Lib Dems feel about getting into bed with the Tories last time? Turned them into even more of a bit part player if the polls are to be believed. Even nutty Nige is better placed
If labour get in it will be a very weak labour government with an idiot for a leader.
One thing he certainly isn't, is an idiot.
One thing he certainly isn't, is an idiot.
One thing he certainly isn't, is an idiot.
The Tory PR machine is nearly as good as wasps!
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The majority of the financial crisis was caused by negligence of people at the top end of the social structure. It has been the bottom end that has paid the price for it.
Is there a party that is really going to address this properly?
If labour get in it will be a very weak labour government with an idiot for a leader. Rather than be in for year's we'll end up in the same mess that the last labour government left the country in and we'll have to vote a conservative government in again to make the tough but necessary decisions again that have made them so unpopular this time.
Personally I think voting labour will ultimately rewind the country back five years so you may as well vote tory now and not lose ten years (the five years just gone and the first five years of the next tory government in this scenario) of recovery to labour.
A difficult decision voting wise for me in North East Fife but one ultimately made very easy by a desire to keep out the SNP, which means I'm having to vote Lib Dem. It has come to who I want to keep out rather than who I want to get in (which ideally is none of them).
Thing is people increasingly don't care where the money comes from so long as they get what they want. Labour give them that and they vote them back in. Becomes self perpetuating for longer than 10 years imo. Just my observations, I won't vote for either
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