Where you make the team that has just batted, bat again, rather than bat yourself.What is a follow on?
Look at documentaries on captains and especially the ashes one regarding Bob Willis then you will get it
Yep fair point!We can't follow on because Aus didn't make 200. You have to be 200 runs or more behind after the first innings to be made to follow on.
But it's the batting like it's a one-day game that keeps on seeing us get out cheaply. You would hope with so many explosive batsmen at least one could string something together but they never get anyone around long enough for it to happen.
Yeah, doesn't sound so bad when you type it out in letter form does it.Sixty fucking seven???
Where you make the team that has just batted, bat again, rather than bat yourself.
Well Nasser Hussain has just this minute said exactly what I said about Denly
I’m going with him over you. He said if he played like that as an opener it’s meaningless - I’m going with Nasser
Stokes - bad shot, Roy - bad shot, Buttler - bad shot, Woakes - bad shot.
Who have I missed? Root got out to a very good ball.
Normally team A would bat first then B, then A again then B. If you follow on it goes A, B, then B again and then A if needed.Then would you get 1 or 2 innings, if Aus batted twice in a row?
We won't get anywhere near chasing 200 either.Can't see anyway out of this one. Weather forecast looks good and even if Englands bowlers can get the Aussies out for around 200 again there's little chance of England chasing 300 plus.
And how many times over the years do you see the batsman/keeper given the job see their batting/keeping form collapse? I agree that from a theoretical point it should be a batter - they shouldn't have to worry about captaincy while batting as it's largely a fielding thing so they should be able to do both. But mentally it always seems to be that their form goes to pot. So we may as well try something different.
Plus there is the batsmen's union who consider themselves far superior and intellectual than bowlers.
Are you a wum account
Again Botham and Atherton said the same as me.
We haven’t batted with any intent at all. Every batsman retreated and retreated except Roy who just isn’t a test player Once it’s 6 down and the tail left they were dead with the bowlers fresh.
Oh and if the Aussie bowlers had taken your advice and bowled at the stumps we’d be nowhere near the mess we are in now. It’s obvious you never do that unless it’s a player who shuffles deep in the crease
Roots dismissal was a good ball the rest of the batsmen were not. Stokes fair enough it’s a rare error but the rest poor. Burns has had it now. Short ball at pace he fails. Roy can’t open. Denly can’t bat.
Stokes - bad shot, Roy - bad shot, Buttler - bad shot, Woakes - bad shot.
Who have I missed? Root got out to a very good ball.
What bowler would be captain anyway - please don’t say Broad!
I said we should have bowled at the stumps more esp with Labuschagne. They got to 179 because we didn't make that Warner/Labuschagne partnership play at as many as we should early on. Of course you have to mix it up and have them also going away mixed in with the odd short ball, but you put the pressure on by getting the batsmen feeling they have to play esp. early in a persons innings.
Aussies eventually didn't need to bowl at stumps because we were playing in one-day mode and slashing at everything regardless, when the balls should have just been left. That's why we shouldn't be in one day mode. Harder ball, no fielding restrictions. If that worked why even bother with test cricket. You say we should go into one-day mode then say Roy isn't a test batsmen. He's arguably our best one-day batsman, so which is it?
Stats show highest method of dismissal is caught behind/slips. You get those by making people play at balls they think are going to hit. After that it's lbw and bowled. By their very nature the ball has to be hitting the stumps for those to occur.
Thing is AUS know all they've got to do is put in an area where it can get an edge or off a glove, and it'll be a wicket most times. There's no defensive play. They can't just play the dot ball and defend the wicket. They want to go at everything. It just doesn't work in test cricket.
He was criticised yesterday for bowling and was proved right. The only person in this setup who could possibly replace Root as cap is Stokes in my opinion but he's a liability at times too.It’s amazing you seem to know more than all the sky sports experts who’ve disagreed with everything you’ve said.
Perhaps you should be captain? You seem to know more than Atherton, Hussain, Gower, botham and Holding who take the opposite view to pretty much everything you say.
It’s amazing you seem to know more than all the sky sports experts who’ve disagreed with everything you’ve said.
Perhaps you should be captain? You seem to know more than Atherton, Hussain, Gower, botham and Holding who take the opposite view to pretty much everything you say.
He was criticised yesterday for bowling and was proved right. The only person in this setup who could possibly replace Root as cap is Stokes in my opinion but he's a liability at times too.
And I've heard Boycott, Vaughan and Cook along with various other members of the TMS team agree with me. Highlights yesterday made a big thing on how we'd only got 8% of the balls in the Warner/Labuschagne partnership hitting the stumps. Boycott can be annoying but he's always going on about how early on you've got to test a batsman's defence. You only do that by making them play and a decent batsmen at 1st class cricket will leave anything missing the wickets unless it's in their favoured scoring areas.
You're right that Warner rode his luck and another day would've been out cheap. Broad seems to have one over him at the moment and he's played some poor shots to him, which seems a mental thing. But we kept on missing the edge - we happened to be bowling a bit wide of the stumps. We can never know but bowling closer to the stumps those edges might've occurred and he'd have actually been out rather than nearly out.
We scored so few runs because everyone was getting out quick so no-one had got the pace of the pitch etc.
Best way to keep the run rate down is get wickets. We were giving away wickets because we were in one day mode slashing at everything. Run rate picks up once a batsmen has played himself in and got the pace of the wicket etc and can play a few shots..
Maybe on a luckier day we'd have slashed at those and they'd have ended up flying to the boundary. But far more often they end up getting caught. Same reason why in football you don't always shoot the second you get within 25 yards of the goal. Looks great when it works but the vast majority of the time it doesn't.
I said we should have bowled at the stumps more esp with Labuschagne. They got to 179 because we didn't make that Warner/Labuschagne partnership play at as many as we should early on. Of course you have to mix it up and have them also going away mixed in with the odd short ball, but you put the pressure on by getting the batsmen feeling they have to play esp. early in a persons innings.
Aussies eventually didn't need to bowl at stumps because we were playing in one-day mode and slashing at everything regardless, when the balls should have just been left. That's why we shouldn't be in one day mode. Harder ball, no fielding restrictions. If that worked why even bother with test cricket. You say we should go into one-day mode then say Roy isn't a test batsmen. He's arguably our best one-day batsman, so which is it?
Stats show highest method of dismissal is caught behind/slips. You get those by making people play at balls they think are going to hit. After that it's lbw and bowled. By their very nature the ball has to be hitting the stumps for those to occur.
All of these are more reminiscent of limited overs style play - playing at balls chasing runs. Not test match (or even county championship) play. Every one of these balls should've been left.
Roy, Burns, Stokes and Denly
Ashes: Australia lead nears 200 after England 67 all out - in-play clips, radio & text
These are mainly top-order batsmen. Once again the middle and lower order were left to try and play more sensibly and try to get some sort of score. Today they weren't up to it. Headingley is a difficult pitch at the best of times and they were always going to fail at some point - batting isn't their forte..
Root got a peach, Bairstow pushed at a ball he was worried was hitting, Woakes similar, Archer just left his bat hanging for no reason.
Leach - here's an example of bowling at the stumps. Yes he's a tailender but it's a case of "you miss, I hit"
Ashes: Australia lead nears 200 after England 67 all out - in-play clips, radio & text
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