European championships 2020 thread (61 Viewers)

Frostie · Jun 25, 2021

cc84cov said:
Do we beat the Germans Tuesday frostie lad ?

Tough to call.
It's almost role reversal on previous meetings where we're now the incredibly structured, efficient but boring side & they have lots of talent but no idea how to use it.

Assuming they stick with their 3-4-3 it depends which personnel they use for me. If they continue to waste Kimmich at RWB & persist with the pairing of Kroos & Gundogan in midfield I think we've got a good chance.
Definitely want to see us push our full backs on more & double up & restrict their wing-backs. Hummels has a mistake in him & without facing an out & out striker we can hopefully keep it pretty tight.

They're still a very good side but definitely have some weaknesses to be exploited.

cc84cov · Jun 25, 2021

Frostie said:
Tough to call.
It's almost role reversal on previous meetings where we're now the incredibly structured, efficient but boring side & they have lots of talent but no idea how to use it.

Assuming they stick with their 3-4-3 it depends which personnel they use for me. If they continue to waste Kimmich at RWB & persist with the pairing of Kroos & Gundogan in midfield I think we've got a good chance.
Definitely want to see us push our full backs on more & double up & restrict their wing-backs. Hummels has a mistake in him & without facing an out & out striker we can hopefully keep it pretty tight.

They're still a very good side but definitely have some weaknesses to be exploited.

Word is he’s gonna stick with 4231 I would play the same side as Czech but trippier at left back unless he trusts shaw against Kimmech

Frostie · Jun 25, 2021

cc84cov said:
Word is he’s gonna stick with 4231 I would play the same side as Czech but trippier at left back unless he trusts shaw against Kimmech

Makes sense. I've seen a lot of pundits & fans calling for us to match them up with a 3 at the back but I think that's unnecessary. You'd have 3 x CBs vs no striker & Gnabry's movement could then cause us problems dragging them out of position. You'd also lose the opportunity to double up on their dangerous wing-backs.

I would definitely expect Trippier to come in for his set pieces, I'd prefer it not to be at LB though as it restricts him getting forward.

cc84cov · Jun 25, 2021

Frostie said:
Makes sense. I've seen a lot of pundits & fans calling for us to match them up with a 3 at the back but I think that's unnecessary. You'd have 3 x CBs vs no striker & Gnabry's movement could then cause us problems dragging them out of position. You'd also lose the opportunity to double up on their dangerous wing-backs.

I would definitely expect Trippier to come in for his set pieces, I'd prefer it not to be at LB though as it restricts him getting forward.

For me walker has to start at right back and he trusts trippier especially defending and as you say set pieces which haven’t been great.

Deleted member 11652 · Jun 25, 2021

I would pick:

Pickford

Trippier
Stones
Maguire
Shaw

Rice
Phillips

Sterling
Grealish
Foden

Kane

Southgate will pick:

Pickford

Walker
Stones
Maguire

Trippier
Rice
Phillips
Shaw

Mount (even though he won’t have trained)
Sterling

Kane

COV · Jun 25, 2021

Boosh said:
I would pick:

Pickford

Trippier
Stones
Maguire
Shaw

Rice
Phillips

Sterling
Grealish
Foden

Kane

Southgate will pick:

Pickford

Walker
Stones
Maguire

Trippier
Rice
Phillips
Shaw

Mount (even though he won’t have trained)
Sterling

Kane

Quite like your team, but I suspect Saka will start. Would very much like to see Sancho play.

Evo1883 · Jun 25, 2021

I'd match them

Pickford

Saka / Chilwell/ Shaw
Stones
Maguire
Walker /white
James /trippier

Mount / Bellingham
Rice /Phillips (either or )

Foden / grealish
Kane
Sterling

523
Or
343 however you what to look at it

He will play 4231

Liquid Gold · Jun 25, 2021

I think we looked good in the 4231 so would keep that. Would like to see Sancho but he isn't going to drop him in for this game.

Don't expect to see Saka in either, would probably replace him with Foden but I think Southgate will do that and replace Grealish with Mount.

I think Maguire will start too after a decent game last week and a week of further recovery and I wonder if he'll bring in Henderson for one of Phillips and Rice for that big game experience.

Evo1883 · Jun 25, 2021

Liquid Gold said:
I think we looked good in the 4231 so would keep that. Would like to see Sancho but he isn't going to drop him in for this game.

Don't expect to see Saka in either, would probably replace him with Foden but I think Southgate will do that and replace Grealish with Mount.

I think Maguire will start too after a decent game last week and a week of further recovery and I wonder if he'll bring in Henderson for one of Phillips and Rice for that big game experience.

Completely forgot about Henderson

Deleted member 11652 · Jun 25, 2021

If we don’t win he has to go

SkyBlueDom26 · Jun 25, 2021

Boosh said:
If we don’t win he has to go

Wenger should replace him, he'd be perfect.

Liquid Gold · Jun 25, 2021

Boosh said:
If we don’t win he has to go

Said half the country about every England manager in every knockout game the country has ever played

Deleted member 11652 · Jun 25, 2021

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Wenger should replace him, he'd be perfect.

he’ll be dead before the next World Cup

SkyBlueDom26 · Jun 25, 2021

Boosh said:
he’ll be dead before the next World Cup

Can't see that being the case, who we getting instead of him then?

Deleted member 11652 · Jun 25, 2021

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Can't see that being the case, who we getting instead of him then?

Well he isn’t gonna be sacked until after the World Cup so likely to be Gerrard, Lampard, Parker or Rooney depending on how they get on.

cc84cov · Jun 25, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I'd match them

Pickford

Saka / Chilwell/ Shaw
Stones
Maguire
Walker /white
James /trippier

Mount / Bellingham
Rice /Phillips (either or )

Foden / grealish
Kane
Sterling

523
Or
343 however you what to look at it

He will play 4231

We haven’t conceded is the word on media outlets if it’s not broke don’t fix it I think we go in 4231

Evo1883 · Jun 25, 2021

Man city preparing bid for grealish now apparently

David O'Day · Jun 25, 2021

cc84cov said:
For me walker has to start at right back and he trusts trippier especially defending and as you say set pieces which haven’t been great.

Walker is technically limited and switches off a lot when guarding the back post which plays into Germany's hands with Gosens liking to attack that area. Trippier at LB would allow Kimmich to press forward more freely.

I would go with Trippier Stones Maguire Shaw as the back four.

David O'Day · Jun 25, 2021

Liquid Gold said:
I think we looked good in the 4231 so would keep that. Would like to see Sancho but he isn't going to drop him in for this game.

Don't expect to see Saka in either, would probably replace him with Foden but I think Southgate will do that and replace Grealish with Mount.

I think Maguire will start too after a decent game last week and a week of further recovery and I wonder if he'll bring in Henderson for one of Phillips and Rice for that big game experience.

Think Saka may get the nod for his defensive work

cc84cov · Jun 25, 2021

David O'Day said:
Think Saka may get the nod for his defensive work

He can be trusted he also is direct they ain’t gonna want to face any pace at the back,Grealish,Sterling & Saka or use Foden central instead of grealish

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jun 25, 2021

When people say it opens up to the final - are we forgetting we probably have to play Holland, Belgium or Portugal in the semi?

Or is that a forgone conclusion like beating Sweden or Ukraine?

I mean I’m all up for it’s coming home but it’s hardly a clear route

covmark · Jun 25, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
When people say it opens up to the final - are we forgetting we probably have to play Holland, Belgium or Portugal in the semi?

Or is that a forgone conclusion like beating Sweden or Ukraine?

I mean I’m all up for it’s coming home but it’s hardly a clear route

Belgium and Portugal are on the other side of the draw.

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Tommo1993 · Jun 25, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
When people say it opens up to the final - are we forgetting we probably have to play Holland, Belgium or Portugal in the semi?

Or is that a forgone conclusion like beating Sweden or Ukraine?

I mean I’m all up for it’s coming home but it’s hardly a clear route

Thought the semi final possibilities were one of Wales, Czech, Ukraine, Sweden?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jun 25, 2021

covmark said:
Belgium and Portugal are on the other side of the draw.

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Apologies. It’s still Holland or Italy, the point still stands

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jun 25, 2021

You know what, completely disregard me… I’ve read my wall chart wrong.

Tommo1993 · Jun 25, 2021

Either way. The winner on Tuesday should really be looking to be in the final, at least.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jun 25, 2021

Ok, worked it out. It’s likely to be Holland. Not a walkover by any means. Although possible revenge for the nations league

covmark · Jun 25, 2021

Tommo1993 said:
Thought the semi final possibilities were one of Wales, Czech, Ukraine, Sweden?

Beat Germany we'll play either Ukraine or Sweden in the quarters. Win that, and it'll be one of Wales, Denmark, Czech or Holland in the semi.

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Tommo1993 · Jun 25, 2021

covmark said:
Beat Germany we'll play either Ukraine or Sweden in the quarters. Win that, and it'll be one of Wales, Denmark, Czech or Holland in the semi.

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I’m a divvy who can’t read a wall chart properly.

Godiva · Jun 25, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
When people say it opens up to the final - are we forgetting we probably have to play Holland, Belgium or Portugal in the semi?

Or is that a forgone conclusion like beating Sweden or Ukraine?

I mean I’m all up for it’s coming home but it’s hardly a clear route

You're forgetting Denmark ... who will face Italy in the final

Mucca Mad Boys · Jun 25, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I'd match them

Pickford

Saka / Chilwell/ Shaw
Stones
Maguire
Walker /white
James /trippier

Mount / Bellingham
Rice /Phillips (either or )

Foden / grealish
Kane
Sterling

523
Or
343 however you what to look at it

He will play 4231

Good to see you’re decisive in picking the team!

Joking aside, I don’t think we should match them. Personally, there’s no need to change a defensive shape we’ve not played in this tournament, especially since we haven’t conceded yet!

With the current setup, Rice drops between the centre backs quite a lot anyway.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 25, 2021

Boosh said:
he’ll be dead before the next World Cup

It's only next year!

Sky Blue Harry H · Jun 25, 2021

According to Declan Rice today 'There's not been no negativity in training'

Like I've said before - it's Southgate affecting the team !!

Frostie · Jun 25, 2021

SBAndy · Jun 26, 2021

Frostie said:

Whilst I don’t dislike him in the same way many seem to, I fail to see why this would even be on the notepad until AFTER the tournament.

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