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FA Cup Replays / Too Many Games Argument (3 Viewers)

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clint van damme

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #36
Tommo1993 said:
I’m not exactly against scrapping replays FWIW, just this notion that Tamworth are owed something is ridiculous.
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Totally agree. I'm for them. But the idea Tamworth should sue the FA because they missed out is mental.
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #37
SlowerThanPlatt said:
I guess you’re not a lawyer
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No nor are you.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #38
Tommo1993 said:
Compensation for losing a game. Lol.
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If they hadn't changed the rules then there would've been a replay, and a big payday for Tamworth, FA looking after the big clubs.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #39
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
If they hadn't changed the rules then there would've been a replay, and a big payday for Tamworth, FA looking after the big clubs.
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Tamworth knocked Burton out on penalties in the last round.
If there'd been replays they might not have made it to the 3rd round.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #40
Irish Sky Blue said:
A few years ago, this was allowed. Quite rightly clubs were prevented from doing this as it handed the advantage back to the bigger club and made an upset (something that everyone wants to see unless it’s your own club) that much more unlikely. Just have the replays, allow the smaller clubs both their shot at glory and a big pay day. It’s only the ‘elite’ who perhaps benefit from no replays and they already have things stacked in their favour.
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It’s easy to romanticise replays in these instances. In reality, most replays are just a chore. There was a sense of deja vu in our tie at the weekend, like many, I did not fancy doing Hillsborough again to make it 4 trips inside 12 months and was much happier getting the game over and done with on Saturday.

Most EFL teams would’ve been happy with the changes too as I doubt L1 or L2 teams fancy replays in Rounds 1 and 2.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #41
clint van damme said:
Totally agree. I'm for them. But the idea Tamworth should sue the FA because they missed out is mental.
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Ok suing the FA is a bit strong.

But it would have been nice if the FA, when they change the rules that any non-league Club missing out on a replay are in some way compensated for missing out on gate receipts.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #42
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Ok suing the FA is a bit strong.

But it would have been nice if the FA, when they change the rules that any non-league Club missing out on a replay are in some way compensated for missing out on gate receipts.
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Yeah, it's a shame that opportunity is lost.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #43
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
If they hadn't changed the rules then there would've been a replay, and a big payday for Tamworth, FA looking after the big clubs.
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It’s ifs and buts. Spurs may have approached the game if there was a chance of a replay on Saturday. They were probably willing to be more patient yesterday knowing they can pick off a tired non-league off in extra-time.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #44
SBT said:
I don't know (or particularly care) if PL clubs feel that strongly about it, but I personally think the League Cup and EFL Trophy should just be merged and you can leave the PL clubs out of it altogether. Two-leg semi-finals are madness.
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1980?
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #45
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
If they hadn't changed the rules then there would've been a replay, and a big payday for Tamworth, FA looking after the big clubs.
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If they hadn’t changed the rules then the only club I care about would’ve had a totally inconvenient game to play. And Tamworth mayn’t have even got that far.
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #46
Tommo1993 said:
If they hadn’t changed the rules then the only club I care about would’ve had a totally inconvenient game to play. And Tamworth mayn’t have even got that far.
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It isn't just about Tamworth though is it, how many other non-league clubs have missed out over the years.

The money received from them replays would be a lifeline.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #47
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
It isn't just about Tamworth though is it, how many other non-league clubs have missed out over the years.

The money received from them replays would be a lifeline.
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Over the years? When there were replays? How did they lose out then?
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #48
So many on here moan about wanting to get knocked out of the cup early and how it means fuck all compared to league but when there is a chance to moan at the FA they are all about old school lol

I'm sad to see replays go but I also understand it as calendar is becoming more and more congested for bigger clubs and yeah they have the power

Also can't lie was a bit of excitement about Saturday knowing there would be a winner one way or the other

But yeah it's modern football and I guess kids will never know how special it used to be unfortunately
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #49
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Ok suing the FA is a bit strong.

But it would have been nice if the FA, when they change the rules that any non-league Club missing out on a replay are in some way compensated for missing out on gate receipts.
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In my opinion a better way of rewarding small clubs getting to this stage would be to have a pooled fund taken from every gate in the round that get distributed based on the leagues the participents are in regardless of results.
 
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blunted

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #50
Too much power in the hands of the top teams. Football like society, the money moves upwards and doesn't come back down .
 
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JAM See

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #51
blunted said:
Too much power in the hands of the top teams. Football like society, the money moves upwards and doesn't come back down .
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Agreed. But a thread on FA cup replays misses the point.

In my opinion, the problems began with...

A) The end of sharing of gate receipts in the league (1980's I reckon)

B) 1992 (When football began according to Sky)

But somehow, we still have Brentford in the top flight whilst 'mighty' Leeds are floundering about for years in the second tier.

Football will always find a way to confoud the moneymen.
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #52
blunted said:
Too much power in the hands of the top teams. Football like society, the money moves upwards and doesn't come back down .
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Precisely
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #53
covcity4life said:
So many on here moan about wanting to get knocked out of the cup early and how it means fuck all compared to league but when there is a chance to moan at the FA they are all about old school lol

I'm sad to see replays go but I also understand it as calendar is becoming more and more congested for bigger clubs and yeah they have the power

Also can't lie was a bit of excitement about Saturday knowing there would be a winner one way or the other

But yeah it's modern football and I guess kids will never know how special it used to be unfortunately
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Think that’s why I’m upset though is how much power the big 6th have while also ensuring no one else can join them.

Would much rather kick them out of the league cup, if they hate playing so many games then allow the FA Cup to be impacted as such.

Always thought the Cup was about the whole pyramid and sadly to the Fa it was all about 6 clubs.
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #54
JAM See said:
Agreed. But a thread on FA cup replays misses the point.

In my opinion, the problems began with...

A) The end of sharing of gate receipts in the league (1980's I reckon)

B) 1992 (When football began according to Sky)
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Spot on
 
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covcity4life

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #55
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Think that’s why I’m upset though is how much power the big 6th have while also ensuring no one else can join them.

Would much rather kick them out of the league cup, if they hate playing so many games then allow the FA Cup to be impacted as such.

Always thought the Cup was about the whole pyramid and sadly to the Fa it was all about 6 clubs.
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A lot of leagues have got rid of the league cup. I'm glad England still has 2 cup comps personally
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #56
covcity4life said:
A lot of leagues have got rid of the league cup. I'm glad England still has 2 cup comps personally
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Me too I’d just kick the top six out of the league cup if they want to moan about too many games.
 
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stupot07

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #57
The big 6 don't complain about the extra champions league games. I wonder why?
 

higgs

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #58
Is the 4th round extra time and pens aswell

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Tommo1993

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #59
higgs said:
Is the 4th round extra time and pens aswell

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Yep.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #60
stupot07 said:
The big 6 don't complain about the extra champions league games. I wonder why?
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To be fair I think the people complaining about the replays were complaining about the extra games.

managers and players aren’t happy about it or about the club world championship
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #61
I'm not too bothered about there being no replays, but I think that is only fair if the smaller club gets the choice on who's ground to play it at.

I would also say that clubs in Europe don't enter the League Cup, so it gives them less to moan about (though they still will) but also gives someone else the chance at winning a trophy (which I'd also make sure qualified for a European place).

When they complain about the number of games when they have squad two or three times bigger than most clubs when you include their development players (many of whom will be on higher wages than even most Championship first teamers) and they'll happily shoehorn in extra games for Europe or money spinning friendlies. I'd just tell them "you hoard enough players, so stop moaning and play the goddamn game!"
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #62
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It’s easy to romanticise replays in these instances. In reality, most replays are just a chore. There was a sense of deja vu in our tie at the weekend, like many, I did not fancy doing Hillsborough again to make it 4 trips inside 12 months and was much happier getting the game over and done with on Saturday.

Most EFL teams would’ve been happy with the changes too as I doubt L1 or L2 teams fancy replays in Rounds 1 and 2.
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I don’t agree. What you are basically saying is that going to watch your team in a football match is a chore. If that’s the case don’t go. I would hazard a guess that if we had had to replay at Hilsborough we would have taken a very healthy following. As for romanticising the FA Cup, that’s the very thing that all these changes are taking away. They are destroying the romance of the cup.
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #63
clint van damme said:
Though Tamworth knocked Burton out on pens in the last round. If there had been replays they'd have had to go to Burton and win.

But I agree, there should be replays.
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They won at Burton I think!??
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #64
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'm not too bothered about there being no replays, but I think that is only fair if the smaller club gets the choice on who's ground to play it at.

I would also say that clubs in Europe don't enter the League Cup, so it gives them less to moan about (though they still will) but also gives someone else the chance at winning a trophy (which I'd also make sure qualified for a European place).

When they complain about the number of games when they have squad two or three times bigger than most clubs when you include their development players (many of whom will be on higher wages than even most Championship first teamers) and they'll happily shoehorn in extra games for Europe or money spinning friendlies. I'd just tell them "you hoard enough players, so stop moaning and play the goddamn game!"
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Annoys me. One rule for big clubs, no thought for anything lower down.
The big boys don't know how good they have it.

Played in a non league side that had a very good FA Cup run, Birmingham Senior Cup run, reached our League Cup final -
We played a BSC game on valentine's day. It was our 50th game of the season.... In February!!!
We all had work the next day.

We had about 20 players in our squad!
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 13, 2025
  • #65
Irish Sky Blue said:
I don’t agree. What you are basically saying is that going to watch your team in a football match is a chore. If that’s the case don’t go. I would hazard a guess that if we had had to replay at Hilsborough we would have taken a very healthy following. As for romanticising the FA Cup, that’s the very thing that all these changes are taking away. They are destroying the romance of the cup.
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That’s an uncharitable take!

The attendance figures speak for themselves and the outlook for our cup competitions isn’t great and hasn’t been for a while. The replay would’ve been on a weekday and attendances suppressed, especially our away support.

For every glamour cup tie, there’s 2-3 ties where there’s not that much interest on both teams end.

I’d have probably gone to a replay in Sheffield on a weekday but would’ve likely had to take time off work which isn’t ideal. I remember distinctly thinking at Sheff Wednesday away last season that I’d wish the game had been decided then and there at Hillsborough either way rather than a replay at home.
 

higgs

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #66
Tommo1993 said:
Yep.
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Thanks

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clint van damme

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #67
shepardo01 said:
They won at Burton I think!??
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Yeah, I got that wrong, would have been at the Lamb.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #68
The fixture nonsense stretches across Europe too. I’ve got tickets for Elche v Atlético tomorrow. They stagger the kick offs to suit the TV pricks. This one is 21.30 pm , ludicrous !
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #69
Evo1883 said:
Over 900 clubs compete in the fa cup, and we are changing it for basically 6 clubs

Stinks tbh
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It really does stink. Yet they keep changing the format of UEFA competitions, increasing the number of game. Should ne told to fuck right off.
”Champions League”. You‘re having a laugh.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #70
Ashdown said:
The fixture nonsense stretches across Europe too. I’ve got tickets for Elche v Atlético tomorrow. They stagger the kick offs to suit the TV pricks. This one is 21.30 pm , ludicrous !
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Fans really are treated like shit these days, I wonder how clubs would feel if fans went on strike.
 
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