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MusicDating · Sep 21, 2020

Sorry, my fault for taking the thread on a tangent. Should've been in off-topic.

Back on track, how are they going to know if these pilot events are a 'success' or not? Are they now going to wait 2 weeks to see if anyone has symptoms? Or test all 1000 attendees? Or was it just a tick in the box exercise?!

I think the only way we could increase attendances before a vaccine would be for fans to prove you were negative before attending, but god knows how that'd work in practice.

wingy · Sep 21, 2020

MusicDating said:
Sorry, my fault for taking the thread on a tangent. Should've been in off-topic.

Back on track, how are they going to know if these pilot events are a 'success' or not? Are they now going to wait 2 weeks to see if anyone has symptoms? Or test all 1000 attendees? Or was it just a tick in the box exercise?!

I think the only way we could increase attendances before a vaccine would be for fans to prove you were negative before attending, but god knows how that'd work in practice.

There are schemes just not rolled out yet .

shmmeee · Sep 21, 2020

MusicDating said:
Sorry, my fault for taking the thread on a tangent. Should've been in off-topic.

Back on track, how are they going to know if these pilot events are a 'success' or not? Are they now going to wait 2 weeks to see if anyone has symptoms? Or test all 1000 attendees? Or was it just a tick in the box exercise?!

I think the only way we could increase attendances before a vaccine would be for fans to prove you were negative before attending, but god knows how that'd work in practice.

Id assumed they were trialling the logistical side like getting people to their seats and maintaining social distancing, etc. I can’t see how total numbers can be anything but a central government decision. Once they’ve proven football fans aren’t uncontrollable animals they’ll be allowed depending on what the national rules are I guess.

Skyblueweeman · Sep 21, 2020

Otis said:
That has me very worried that there's an even more sinister version of the Daily Mail on the dark web.

There is. It's called the SBT 'Off Topic Chat' thread. Especially if you're viewing in dark mode.

The Great Eastern · Sep 21, 2020

Cant be bothered to check back so apologies if this has already been mentioned but Norwich and Middlesborough both seemed to put their fans in an area where they looked rather close together. By contrast, Blackpool had their 1000 dotted all over the stadium. A friend who went to the Carrow Road game said that a group of 20 people decided it would be a 'great' idea to all sit together in the 2nd half....
Give me f*cking strength. Probably the same types who will moan like hell when the pubs get scaled back down again in the weeks to come.

skyblueinBaku · Sep 21, 2020

The Great Eastern said:
Cant be bothered to check back so apologies if this has already been mentioned but Norwich and Middlesborough both seemed to put their fans in an area where they looked rather close together. By contrast, Blackpool had their 1000 dotted all over the stadium. A friend who went to the Carrow Road game said that a group of 20 people decided it would be a 'great' idea to all sit together in the 2nd half....
Give me f*cking strength. Probably the same types who will moan like hell when the pubs get scaled back down again in the weeks to come.

Aren't stewards supposed to sort this type of thing out?

chiefdave · Sep 21, 2020

skyblueindorset said:
Aren't stewards supposed to sort this type of thing out?

This has always been my concern with crowds returning to football. How many issues have we had with people not being sat in the right seats, standing in seating areas etc and when its pointed out people have a go at the stewards for being jobsworth.

I find it hard to believe we could have even 3.5K in St Andrews without it being chaos.

Grendel · Sep 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
This has always been my concern with crowds returning to football. How many issues have we had with people not being sat in the right seats, standing in seating areas etc and when its pointed out people have a go at the stewards for being jobsworth.

I find it hard to believe we could have even 3.5K in St Andrews without it being chaos.

have you looked at the games in Germany and France?

skybluesam66 · Sep 22, 2020

Just announced - all returns to grounds cancelled for now

Otis · Sep 22, 2020

Ohhh. No surprised to be honest.

shmmeee · Sep 22, 2020

Not until Feb at the earliest then I reckon. If the peak is Xmas.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

Always going tp happen but if Pubs are allowed to keep open until 10pm then you could make an argument that sports venues can socially distance 1k people far better than a pub could.

Saddlebrains · Sep 22, 2020

Wrong decision for me.

The likes of Accrington, Rochdale, Oldham, this will kill them off. Severe problems within the football pyramid now

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

Also I doubt they have but it will be interesting to see if they are going to put any support into clubs liable to fold?

Saddlebrains · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
Also I doubt they have but it will be interesting to see if they are going to put any support into clubs liable to fold?

Course not. Premier league wont think twice about saying no to a £100,000 payment to someone like Crewe, but teams like arsenal will pay Aubameuang 350k a week

jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 22, 2020

I'm now fully resigned to the fact that I will not see CCFC live all season.....THIS IS SHIT.

wingy · Sep 22, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I'm now fully resigned to the fact that I will not see CCFC live all season.....THIS IS SHIT.

Not if they get on the spot rapid testing sorted

chiefdave · Sep 22, 2020

wingy said:
Not if they get on the spot rapid testing sorted

But only for those who can afford it.

Public will have to pay for 'moonshot' Covid-19 tests, Dido Harding says

Test and Trace head says rapid tests ‘may be a normal cost of doing business’

www.independent.co.uk

Grendel · Sep 22, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I'm now fully resigned to the fact that I will not see CCFC live all season.....THIS IS SHIT.

Its pathetic really

wingy · Sep 22, 2020

chiefdave said:
But only for those who can afford it.

Public will have to pay for 'moonshot' Covid-19 tests, Dido Harding says

Test and Trace head says rapid tests ‘may be a normal cost of doing business’

www.independent.co.uk

Yes , although it maybe prudent for venue's/site's wishing to utilise/benefit from it, absord the fee .
If not it's going no where.

AOM · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
Always going tp happen but if Pubs are allowed to keep open until 10pm then you could make an argument that sports venues can socially distance 1k people far better than a pub could.

Not having away fans moving around the country for games I can understand, but yeah you'd think they could police social distancing in an outdoor stadium a lot better than Wetherspoons on a Saturday night

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

AOM said:
Not having away fans moving around the country for games I can understand, but yeah you'd think they could police social distancing in an outdoor stadium a lot better than Wetherspoons on a Saturday night

Can't see away fans this season no matter what the national situation. They are just a recipe for spreading the virus between cities and towns.

Otis · Sep 22, 2020

Saddlebrains said:
Wrong decision for me.

The likes of Accrington, Rochdale, Oldham, this will kill them off. Severe problems within the football pyramid now

Accrington, Rochdale and Oldham...who are they?

MusicDating · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
Can't see away fans this season no matter what the national situation. They are just a recipe for spreading the virus between cities and towns.

I tend to agree. Plus off their faces away fans aren't really going to be so keen on listening to stewards asking them to keep a metre.

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

MusicDating said:
I tend to agree. Plus off their faces away fans aren't really going to be so keen on listening to stewards asking them to keep a metre.

Especially if you have people from potential urban hotspots travelling far and wide all while drinking from 8am.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 22, 2020

Come on the priority is not football is it!!!

I’m very happy if someone can show me why it’s safe and doesn’t add much risk watching outdoor football but I’m not happy to say this or that industry is a priority so we can risk the pandemic running amok

shmmeee · Sep 22, 2020

Do we reckon they might do STs only then? Otherwise what’s to stop people travelling down and sitting in the home end?

AOM · Sep 22, 2020

shmmeee said:
Do we reckon they might do STs only then? Otherwise what’s to stop people travelling down and sitting in the home end?

Yeah, I think that was their plan all along, as it's an incentive to get a membership/season ticket and they could then predict the maximum amount of fans that could attend

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 22, 2020

Saddlebrains said:
Wrong decision for me.

The likes of Accrington, Rochdale, Oldham, this will kill them off. Severe problems within the football pyramid now

Not ideal but IMO better than risking killing hundreds in Accrington, Rochdale and Oldham.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 22, 2020

wingy said:
Yes , although it maybe prudent for venue's/site's wishing to utilise/benefit from it, absord the fee .
If not it's going no where.

It may well be worth it to them (depends on test cost obv) as even if you up prices to cover at least some of it if the job market falls badly people won't be willing/able to go anyway.

I'm also worried about what they do when someone turns up who fails the test? Obv they won't be given admittance but what about all the other people they will likely have mingled with before they get given the test? Would the person who took the test have to be immediately removed from duty in case they'd become infected or got it on their clothing etc? Similar situation with everyone in the person testing positives group?

David O'Day · Sep 22, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Not ideal but IMO better than risking killing hundreds in Accrington, Rochdale and Oldham.

What evidence is there that says that it is safer to be in a pub in Accrington, Rochdale and Oldham than it is to be at a socially distanced football match?

The evidence from the Liverpool vs Ath Madrid and Cheltenham events is not appropriate here as these won't be rammed paccked.

It is likely to be less risky at an Oldham if they are only letting 1000 people in that it will be in a town centre pub at 9.30pm on ma Saturday.

Saddlebrains · Sep 22, 2020

David O'Day said:
What evidence is there that says that it is safer to be in a pub in Accrington, Rochdale and Oldham than it is to be at a socially distanced football match?

The evidence from the Liverpool vs Ath Madrid and Cheltenham events is not appropriate here as these won't be rammed paccked.

It is likely to be less risky at an Oldham if they are only letting 1000 people in that it will be in a town centre pub at 9.30pm on ma Saturday.

I agree. I feel the FA and EFL really need to push the government on this and say right, show us how its safe to be in pubs yet isnt safe to have stadiums 25% full socially distanced and with precautions.

Ridiculous

Grendel · Sep 22, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Come on the priority is not football is it!!!

I’m very happy if someone can show me why it’s safe and doesn’t add much risk watching outdoor football but I’m not happy to say this or that industry is a priority so we can risk the pandemic running amok

Many countries are opening up - if you believe there is no hope for a vaccine better kill all sports clubs I guess

shmmeee · Sep 22, 2020

Saddlebrains said:
I agree. I feel the FA and EFL really need to push the government on this and say right, show us how its safe to be in pubs yet isnt safe to have stadiums 25% full socially distanced and with precautions.

Ridiculous

Thats not how it works. It could be less safe at pubs and they still stay open. It’s about economic cost as well. 92 football clubs employ fewer people than the entire hospitality industry. Close pubs and you have to fund billions in wages for furlough.

It’s not a threshold individual activities have too meet, it’s a total risk we can have as a society and deciding which activities to allow while staying within that risk budget. As much as we hate it, football is pretty low down in terms of economic importance so will be one of the first things to go so that other things can stay open.

clint van damme · Sep 22, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I'm now fully resigned to the fact that I will not see CCFC live all season.....THIS IS SHIT.

my heart is breaking but my liver is doing the fucking can can.

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