Returning to the Ricoh is Plan A
Finally, explains the touchiness before.
Why was none of this explained just like that in the first place? Would have avoided a lot of unnecessary confusion.
Makes a lot more sense now.
Is there going to be a proper forum if so I am more than happy to stick with rather than these little smaller meetings.
So you yourself have had a meeting has it changed your opinion on things?
Do you see how plan A is viable?
In which case they need to come out publicly and say that is what they want, not keep banging on about having moved on and building a new stadium. Let everyone know they want to come back to the Ricoh and let everyone know what deal they are prepared to do to return. If they did that they could see a huge swing in fans opinions.
If what you actually want to do is the same as the majority of fans want why keep it a secret?!
At the meetings that took place were people in attendance asked to not talk about it? Seems a bit odd that people who are posting on here numerous times a day went to a meeting and not one of them thought to make any mention of it on here!
In which case they need to come out publicly and say that is what they want, not keep banging on about having moved on and building a new stadium. Let everyone know they want to come back to the Ricoh and let everyone know what deal they are prepared to do to return. If they did that they could see a huge swing in fans opinions.
If what you actually want to do is the same as the majority of fans want why keep it a secret?!
Jonny big spuds!!!
Because you are saying you want to meet him so I am asking for your details, I am not going to give any bodies personal details out without permission which is why I'm asking for you to send them over if you wish to have a meeting.
It is then down to you too ask questions and up to you if you wish to share them.
This one particular meeting happened because I was contacted and asked if I would like to meet, I also asked if others were welcome to which they were so I invited a few people at short notice. If it seems dodgy it is down to me in this instance as I had to quickly try and get 5 or 6 people together.
There was actually no limit of people set or any vetting of people but being really busy myself I couldn't do that much and obviously didn't post much about it to not let people down.
Nobody was vetted before arriving, which was proven by last rocking up and sitting next to ml.
However they have been quite open that if others want to meet I am welcome to pass their details over.
So do you want me to try and arrange anything for you or not?
At the meetings that took place were people in attendance asked to not talk about it? Seems a bit odd that people who are posting on here numerous times a day went to a meeting and not one of them thought to make any mention of it on here!
I wasn't being touchy, it gets frustrating when people love to moan about things like that but when I say I can pass your details on and you can probably go and see them yourself there is suddenly quietness
To be honest, so much of it was over my head but it was worlds away from a "SISU lover" meeting where everybody was lapping up everything he said. I haven't said who was there as I respect people's privacy and I wouldn't give their details out for the same reason.
The arsenal game in the background was quite good though
Have your private meetings ! Bristle with pride at your ability to fix a meeting with the representative of the most hated connection ccfc has ever had . Watch your own private fixtures at sixfields . Constantly berate a fellow supporter that just wants a question answered that he has asked a hundred times . you know what , if sisu get the verdict on the jr and end up ripping the Ricoh off the people of cov it wont be forgotten for a long time . Keep following the piper, children!
No quiteness from me on that front just needed some clarification about what was happening and whilst you were calling me out I had already PM'ed the person I thought was organising it.
Had to guess as no one (you) were coming out with a straight forward explanation like you now have.
So you are quite off the mark with your comments. It hard to come to the party when you never knew the party existed then when you hear about it through the rumour mill you get snidy comments when you ask some questions.
Like I say know I finally know you were the person contacting people I understand the immediate pop you had about me 'starting a thread' to a very innocuous question.
No offence taken
Fucking hell.
The bitching on here and looking for some kind of angle to run down people who dare to talk to the 'other side' is as much a reason as anything not to say anything
Fucking hell.
The bitching on here and looking for some kind of angle to run down people who dare to talk to the 'other side' is as much a reason as anything not to say anything. It's why it was quite handy letsallsingtogether was there, as he's so patently not a SISU lover his presence at least authenticates that. Worryingly, he turned out to be quite a sound bloke too. It proves the point as said by many before, in person you remember we're all just a bunch of blokes who want to support the same football team at the end of the day, and there's solidarity in that. Now I know who he is I'd happily buy him a pint.
Now if only we could harness that better than we do on here...
Anyway, he (Labovitch, not LAST) did ask at the end of the meeting (once one of us had gone) that it was on the understanding it was off the record (not sure anyone heard that other than me anyway, and it was addressed to me so being a man of honour, I will do what asked! I suspect 'off the record' was meant more in a Chinese Whispers, things getting reported back as FACT and leading to hilarious misunderstandings as a result) but that builds it up to levels of conspiracy that aren't there... in that there really wasn't anything I could see worth reporting on, even if I wanted to! I did say I'd give my general impression but, really, some people on here looking for any avenue not to listen and to shoot the messenger kind of puts me off even doing that. And what's worse than people pretending to know more than others and lord it over other fucking fans? I met McGinnity once too on a one-on-one. Similar in that there was sod all reporting back from that. For all I know I've met Joy Seppala and not realised it(!) but hey...
Nothing we hadn't heard before in some form or another really, and if people want to bang on about keeping an open mind until the JR, then why would those self same people want me to engage in one side's PR work for them?
He had a narrative he wanted to say, I wanted to take him off that narrative... with mixed success. But any conclusions I've drawn so far are only my own hypotheses rather than conclusions, so I'd rather keep my own open mind too. Also, I'd rather wait and see what comes out of these meetings with regards to SISU's own approach or not anyway, before jumping.
Fucking hell.
Anyway, he (Labovitch, not LAST) did ask at the end of the meeting (once one of us had gone) that it was on the understanding it was off the record (not sure anyone heard that other than me anyway, and it was addressed to me so being a man of honour, I will do what asked! I suspect 'off the record' was meant more in a Chinese Whispers, things getting reported back as FACT and leading to hilarious misunderstandings as a result) but that builds it up to levels of conspiracy that aren't there... in that there really wasn't anything I could see worth reporting on, even if I wanted to! .
There were two other people at the meeting. Both have inside knowledge and one in particular a previous association and a wealth of knowledge (i will refer to him as Mr A)The official line is sisu want the Ricoh either owned or on a long exclusive leasehold with their management company running the events management. If this does not happen then they will construct a stadium.
Mr a agreed with me. The stadium will not be built as it will make huge losses. His view was that sisu have not done much wrong and the council are very difficult to work with.
So who did you PM then? I asked you 3 or 4 times, why would I ask for the sake of it? Why not just PM me your details like I said so I could discuss it with you and try and get you a meeting that you wanted?
You are moaning about not being invited to said party, I am saying I will try and get you to the party to ask what you want
Much easier to moan about something though isn't it, stir it up a little bit too eh
So who did you PM then? I asked you 3 or 4 times, why would I ask for the sake of it? Why not just PM me your details like I said so I could discuss it with you and try and get you a meeting that you wanted?
You are moaning about not being invited to said party, I am saying I will try and get you to the party to ask what you want
Much easier to moan about something though isn't it, stir it up a little bit too eh
We've asked Sisu/our club/OEG to be more open with us and as soon as they do so people get the pitchforks out and start looking for something to light their torches with. Sheesh!
I applaud the club meeting with the fans they should do far more of it fair play to them.
I don't applaud people keeping to themselves once they have had a meeting.
I don't applaud sarcastic comments when someone out the loop is asking how are the meetings getting arranged.
It wasn't sarcastic, it was somebody giving it loads saying this and that should be asked and when the chance arises they aren't interested
Stick to stirring...
When did you first get asked to invite people?
How did you decide who to invite?
When people began to find out about it. When people were asking how people were getting invited? Why did you not explain how it was happening initially?
By the way 'why don't you start a thread about it' is sarcastic and didn't answer the question.
But if you don't understand that that and your reply to Schmee when he asked a similar question is sarcastic you probably don't understand that asking such questions us genuine and not stirring.
I really don't see why it matters.When did you first get asked to invite people?
How did you decide who to invite?
When people began to find out about it. When people were asking how people were getting invited? Why did you not explain how it was happening initially?
By the way 'why don't you start a thread about it' is sarcastic and didn't answer the question.
But if you don't understand that that and your reply to Schmee when he asked a similar question is sarcastic you probably don't understand that asking such questions us genuine and not stirring.
I didn't say anything because of these million questions from people who just prefer to stir it and uwouldn't actually go.
I picked a handful of people with a range of views who I thought would have questions and would challenge. Which is what happened.
A couple couldn't make it
It was nothing against people who weren't there, I was hoping I could invite another handful for another afterwards.
I really don't see why it matters.
Nick runs the biggest skyblues forum seems a logical place for the club to go to set up a meeting with fans. Seems Nick chose posters that aren't shouty fools and that usually have sensible debates on the forum.
Fair play to him and them I say, just a shame they feel they didn't get a massive amount out of it.
Tell us who you invited, then we can decide if they had "a range of views"
Otherwise I can imagine your lttle list of buddies.
someone playing God ?
It wasn't sarcastic, it was somebody giving it loads saying this and that should be asked and when the chance arises they aren't interested
Stick to stirring...
Tell us who you invited, then we can decide if they had "a range of views"
Otherwise I can imagine your lttle list of buddies.
someone playing God ?
Thats a "NO" then.You can imagine all you want to be fair
Thats a "NO" then.
Thats a "NO" then.
I didn't say anything because of these million questions from people who just prefer to stir it and wouldn't actually go.
I picked a handful of people with a range of views who I thought would have questions and would challenge. Which is what happened.
A couple couldn't make it
It was nothing against people who weren't there, I was hoping I could invite another handful for another afterwards.
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