You should know the answer to that question Tim. When you come out of the trance you've been in for the last 4-5 years if you research a little you will see, since securing tenure of CCFC. they have had no less than 3 ocassions in which to buy into the Ricoh. The third time was as you know just a token jesture of approx £100k more the Wasps but with provisos' of information that would help with their/your JR