FAO the 'Pressley Out' brigade (1 Viewer)

PVA · Nov 10, 2014

Sacking him won't make a difference, not in the long term anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23724517

http://www.theguardian.com/football.../21/football-managers-sackings-premier-league

How long now have we been sacking managers every 12 /18 / 24 months and look what good it has done us.

Sure there are a few examples of someone coming in and turning a club completely around, Pulis at Palace for example, but that is extremely rare. Take a look at the links above.

Most managers are not miracle workers and cannot turn a bunch of poor or average players into good players. You can't polish a turd, as they say.

Considering what he has available, Pressley is probably doing about as well as he should be. (barring the weekend obviously, but it's not his fault Burge decided to kick out and it's not his fault Johnson took one of the worst penalties i've ever seen).

Sacking Pressley will do nothing. You'd all be calling for the next managers head in 12 months time.

RFC · Nov 10, 2014

Totally agree, very well stated & correct. PUSB!

Ashdown · Nov 10, 2014

There is some truth in this post. The club is rotten to the core and he hasn't been able to polish the turds either. I do think however he doesn't play to their strengths and he bigs them up too much. From what I can see they need a bomb up their arses and if they don't like it then they can fuck off for pastures new ! I think we have too many players and managerial staff hiding behind the general malaise of the club though and the only real end to all of this will be the departure of the most incompetent owners in football.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

Sacking managers has saved the club from relegation numerous times.

Sacking Gould and reaching with Mackay saved the club in the mid 80's

I think Mackay resigned after a stuffing at Liverpool but then Sillett provided motivation to save the club in 86

Forcing Atkinson upstairs definately prolonged a stay in the premier league.

In fact the truth is when we stuck with managers clearly taking the club down - strachan and thorn - they took us down.

Otis · Nov 10, 2014

Hooray! Just what we need, yet another brigade!!!

All aboard!

skybluebeduff · Nov 10, 2014

It's not just Saturday though is it!! We've been constantly shit all season, it takes us until the 2nd half to have 1 single shot on target. He signs Miller and Swanson on contracts but plays shit loan players instead, why did he waste them contracts?

The formation don't work, and nearly all the fans agree with that, but SP doesn't. It seems like SP's role at the club is not about results, and that is worrying!

oldskyblue58 · Nov 10, 2014

Whilst I might agree that sacking SP just now is perhaps not the best option there will come a point where it will be necessary if he fails to turn the fortunes of the club around. There are plenty of teams above us and still in the FA cup with smaller playing budgets this season. So the performance of SP is a factor in this

The one thing I do disagree with you is the implication we only lost yesterday because of the gross error by Burge and the missed penalty by Reda. The team SP picked trained and set up together with the substitutions he made on the day were out played by a non league team from start to finish and all over the pitch. Whilst the players let themselves, the club and fans down SP did play a big part in that and shares the blame

Otis · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
Sacking managers has saved the club from relegation numerous times.

Sacking Gould and reaching with Mackay saved the club in the mid 80's

I think Mackay resigned after a stuffing at Liverpool but then Sillett provided motivation to save the club in 86

Forcing Atkinson upstairs definately prolonged a stay in the premier league.

In fact the truth is when we stuck with managers clearly taking the club down - strachan and thorn - they took us down.

Very fair assessment.

I do think a club needs a degree of stability but you can't just stick with a manager because you want stability. You stick with a manager because you believe in him and if you no longer believe him and feel he is taking the club in the wrong direction, then you sack him.

Terry Gibson's perm · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
Sacking managers has saved the club from relegation numerous times.

Sacking Gould and reaching with Mackay saved the club in the mid 80's

I think Mackay resigned after a stuffing at Liverpool but then Sillett provided motivation to save the club in 86

Forcing Atkinson upstairs definately prolonged a stay in the premier league.

In fact the truth is when we stuck with managers clearly taking the club down - strachan and thorn - they took us down.

My word I agree with Grendel never thought I would see the day!

Hobo · Nov 10, 2014

Fans pay their money and they want success. Their loyalty breeds frustration. They are often poor judges of performance and real progress.

Because they never get to see the whole picture.

But aside from that how many have management experience themselves? Successfully developed a workforce? Created a positive working environment? Turned a failing business model into a success? How many really offer solutions?

Okay play 4-4--2...how many teams actually play that these days? How many thought Tudgay was a great buy and will score loads of goals at this level, compared to worth a gamble in our situation?

Forget about your unrealistic promotion plan, Forget SP, forget you played Champ Manager on a PC, forget you were sub twice for the Fat Brown Cow when they only had ten players.

Think about the things that are really needed to move Coventry City forward. It may take four years, it may take ten.
It needs a miracle, it needs the right management team and structure.

Colonel Mustard · Nov 10, 2014

PVA said:
How long now have we been sacking managers every 12 /18 / 24 months and look what good it has done us.

That statement is too broad.

There are managers like Nilsson and Black who were sacked too soon (indicating poor assessment skills from the regime at the time). Just running with those two until they were spent could have meant half as many new managers as we have had. The club was a bit more unlucky with that ship-jumper Robins. Conversely, the club kept on the likes of Strachan and Thorn too long, with disastrous consequences.

Rather than focus on arbitrary duration periods for managers, it'd be better to effectively assess their performance.

Evo1883 · Nov 10, 2014

PVA said:
Sacking him won't make a difference, not in the long term anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23724517

http://www.theguardian.com/football.../21/football-managers-sackings-premier-league

How long now have we been sacking managers every 12 /18 / 24 months and look what good it has done us.

Sure there are a few examples of someone coming in and turning a club completely around, Pulis at Palace for example, but that is extremely rare. Take a look at the links above.

Most managers are not miracle workers and cannot turn a bunch of poor or average players into good players. You can't polish a turd, as they say.

Considering what he has available, Pressley is probably doing about as well as he should be. (barring the weekend obviously, but it's not his fault Burge decided to kick out and it's not his fault Johnson took one of the worst penalties i've ever seen).

Sacking Pressley will do nothing. You'd all be calling for the next managers head in 12 months time.

FAO Pressley in brigade , come april 2015 il be happy to say ...i told you so

fernandopartridge · Nov 10, 2014

Colonel Mustard said:
That statement is too broad.

There are managers like Nilsson and Black who were sacked too soon (indicating poor assessment skills from the regime at the time). Just running with those two until they were spent could have meant half as many new managers as we have had. The club was a bit more unlucky with that ship-jumper Robins. Conversely, the club kept on the likes of Strachan and Thorn too long, with disastrous consequences.

Rather than focus on arbitrary duration periods for managers, it'd be better to effectively assess their performance.

Fair post. Pressley has had 3 teams in his spell here. I know many refer to the last calendar year but that's probably unfair. His new team haven't performed this season but should be considered in isolation from what went before.

Hobo · Nov 10, 2014

Colonel Mustard said:
That statement is too broad.

There are managers like Nilsson and Black who were sacked too soon (indicating poor assessment skills from the regime at the time). Just running with those two until they were spent could have meant half as many new managers as we have had. The club was a bit more unlucky with that ship-jumper Robins. Conversely, the club kept on the likes of Strachan and Thorn too long, with disastrous consequences.

Rather than focus on arbitrary duration periods for managers, it'd be better to effectively assess their performance.

"Fair post. Pressley has had 3 teams in his spell here. I know many refer to the last calendar year but that's probably unfair. His new team haven't performed this season but should be considered in isolation from what went before. " Fernandopartridge.

I like both these posts and they display some common sense. yes we need to see some progress from SP, he does carry responsibility for what is on the pitch. but we also need continuity and stabilisation; but the time needs to be given to the right person.

I would like to know, how much of the choice of players is down to SP? Who has been sourcing them or how have we been sourcing them? Most of our signings have been players on the way down, or trying to kick start a career from no proven background?

When was the last time we signed a player from our level, or league 2 or top non league; because they had performed at that level and we thought they had the potential to move us forward?

As I posted a few days ago, we have youth, but we are not an inexperienced team....we need leaders to stand up and take responsibility, off the pitch and on it!

Astute · Nov 10, 2014

PVA said:
Considering what he has available, Pressley is probably doing about as well as he should be.

IF he has had the money to spend on the wages as he is said to have had and IF the players that have come in were his choice we should not be near the bottom of Division 3 and getting outplayed by a part time non league club. IF our budget is in the top 10 we should be in the top 10.

He constantly makes mistakes and does not learn from them.

Or am I missing something and we should be near the bottom of Division 3?

spider_ricoh · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
Sacking managers has saved the club from relegation numerous times.

Sacking Gould and reaching with Mackay saved the club in the mid 80's

I think Mackay resigned after a stuffing at Liverpool but then Sillett provided motivation to save the club in 86

Forcing Atkinson upstairs definately prolonged a stay in the premier league.

In fact the truth is when we stuck with managers clearly taking the club down - strachan and thorn - they took us down.

You could have added here that Andy Thorn saved us when we looked doomed under Aidy in 2011.

RFC · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
Sacking managers has saved the club from relegation numerous times.

Sacking Gould and reaching with Mackay saved the club in the mid 80's

I think Mackay resigned after a stuffing at Liverpool but then Sillett provided motivation to save the club in 86

Forcing Atkinson upstairs definately prolonged a stay in the premier league.

In fact the truth is when we stuck with managers clearly taking the club down - strachan and thorn - they took us down.

How many managers do you think we've had since 1980 & you name a couple that had a positive effect and maybe changed our fortunes!

The last time the revolving door policy worked in our favour in the last 15 yrs. to 20 yrs was when Mark Robins arrived but if you recall he soon jumped ship when a better offer came along (££££££££££'s) and look where he is now!

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 10, 2014

RFC said:
How many managers do you think we've had since 1980 & you name a couple that had a positive effect and maybe changed our fortunes!

The last time the revolving door policy worked in our favour in the last 15 yrs. to 20 yrs was when Mark Robins arrived but if you recall he soon jumped ship when a better offer came along (££££££££££'s) and look where he is now!

Never mind where he is now look at where we are now.

covhead1 · Nov 10, 2014

RFC said:
How many managers do you think we've had since 1980 & you name a couple that had a positive effect and maybe changed our fortunes!

The last time the revolving door policy worked in our favour in the last 15 yrs. to 20 yrs was when Mark Robins arrived but if you recall he soon jumped ship when a better offer came along (££££££££££'s) and look where he is now!

Bring him back...............please

skybluetony176 · Nov 10, 2014

I doubt we'd get anyone better than SP. We'll either get a rookie, someone just trying to get in as many pay days as possible before inevitably getting the sack again or someone who will be here just long enough for something better to come along and it will.

Who knows someone might come in and we might dodge relegation for another season but I bet we're back in the same position this time next season.

The common denominator is SISU. SP has only ever done this job with one hand tied behind his back and it will be no different for the next guy.

Chez78 · Nov 10, 2014

Look for all those saying we need stability I totally agree but surely backing a manager who has previously achieved success and is just going through a sticky patch is what you are on about?

Everyone goes on about what he did when Wilson, Clarke and moussa were here well let's not forget we had a shocking spell in the second half of last season when he still had them. I'm all for standing by a manager who has previously proven himself but Pressley has certainly not done that and his record is terrible. It's a shame cause I think most fans have genuinely wanted him to succeed and have bought into what he's trying to do, that said we've all supported this team long enough to know when it's time to change and based on results it would appear that time has come.

I'll be amazed if they sack him though, and for all those saying there is no one out there let's not forget he wasn't even most fans first choice. There is always soomeone out there looking for a shot at proving themselves to say no one would want it is just not true.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

RFC said:
How many managers do you think we've had since 1980 & you name a couple that had a positive effect and maybe changed our fortunes!

The last time the revolving door policy worked in our favour in the last 15 yrs. to 20 yrs was when Mark Robins arrived but if you recall he soon jumped ship when a better offer came along (££££££££££'s) and look where he is now!

Robbins rather like Leon Clarke has poor stick ability and paid a price. He should have stayed.

If we hadn't sacked Gould, Mackay, butcher and Howe, Neal and Atkinson we'd have never had 30 plus years in the top flight.

Sacking managers can provide short term impetus. Look at the managers who have survived longer in recent times.. Coleman thorn and Pressley . Are you seriously saying we should have retained Coleman or thorn for longer and we'd be better now?

The argument is absurd. Its in the short term more about lack of belief in the outgoing manager than the incoming one as shown when both boothroyd and Adams were shown the door. They had clearly alienated themselves from the playing staff and its becoming very probably Pressley is doing the same.

He deserved leeway as maintaining league one status last season was an achievement that cannot be dismissed. However, he now looks a busted flush.

He seems imbedded to sisu though almost as much as thorn was. It's an issue but he seems to lack the support the clueless majority gave thorn. Perhaps they have learnt their lesson.

skybluefred · Nov 10, 2014

Hobo said:
Fans pay their money and they want success. Their loyalty breeds frustration. They are often poor judges of performance and real progress.

Because they never get to see the whole picture.

But aside from that how many have management experience themselves? Successfully developed a workforce? Created a positive working environment? Turned a failing business model into a success? How many really offer solutions?

Okay play 4-4--2...how many teams actually play that these days? How many thought Tudgay was a great buy and will score loads of goals at this level, compared to worth a gamble in our situation?

Forget about your unrealistic promotion plan, Forget SP, forget you played Champ Manager on a PC, forget you were sub twice for the Fat Brown Cow when they only had ten players.

Think about the things that are really needed to move Coventry City forward. It may take four years, it may take ten.
It needs a miracle, it needs the right management team and structure.

We need somebody with a Bill Gates size Bank Account to buy the Club. After the mess sisu have dropped us in that would seem like our only salvation.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

skybluefred said:
We need somebody with a Bill Gates size Bank Account to buy the Club. After the mess sisu have dropped us in that would seem like our only salvation.

What about the mess mcginnity and Elliot dropped is in?

ccfc1234 · Nov 10, 2014

Rubbish IMO good managers get clubs promoted others stagnate. Look at Tony Pulis at Palace what a good manager did to Holloways team that was destined to go down. You trying to say he made no difference?

skybluetony176 · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
What about the mess mcginnity and Elliot dropped is in?

You mean the mess SISU exacerbated and then some. Oh well, at least they saved us from a fate worse than administration though. Oh wait? They did that better (or is that worse?) than McGinnty and Elliott too.

Moff · Nov 10, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
You mean the mess SISU exacerbated and then some. Oh well, at least they saved us from a fate worse than administration though. Oh wait? They did that better (or is that worse?) than McGinnty and Elliott too.

I dont think Grendel is denying this Tony. I think his point just highlights how long we have been appallingly mismanaged for, although as you have correctly pointed out, no one has been as monumentally shit as SISU.

PVA · Nov 10, 2014

ccfc1234 said:
Rubbish IMO good managers get clubs promoted others stagnate. Look at Tony Pulis at Palace what a good manager did to Holloways team that was destined to go down. You trying to say he made no difference?

Erm... did you even read my opening post?

ccfc1234 · Nov 10, 2014

PVA said:
Erm... did you even read my opening post?

no not well enough, sorry. However the links for me show an overview and I agree it seems most don't but some do, and why should we accept average player recruitment (that's being kind) poor formations and a stubborn manager based on the experiences of others.
We were upwardly mobile with robins and now were going backwards for me this should be enough to sack him as he is regressing our players and as a result fan base.

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