covcity4life
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Not that iffy defensively imo.
Sheaf best player on pitch for me
Gyokres and waghorn look good too. Press well. Viktor a good dribbler.
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Sheaf best player on pitch for me
Gyokres and waghorn look good too. Press well. Viktor a good dribbler.
Bugsy
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Evo1883
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Not a nice thing to day about gyokores tbh
Brighton Sky Blue
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I do. Got a McDonald's designed like a planetarium
Grendel
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You’ve actually said you’d like the guy ahead of Callum o hare
COV
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Yeah he got well & truly skinned a couple of times. But he won't often come up against players like that in the Championship.
kg82
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Nah, you’re right. Kanchelskis, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy were total shite.
COV
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You can add Jaap Stam to that as well.
skybluegod
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Tbf no it doesn't. Talent by it's very definition is somebody's natural aptitude. IE. What they are born with. Skill is the things that you mention. Bright is very talented. But whether he has the skills (application, discipline and work rate), the things that you refine with hours of practice is the question.
Grendel
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Which oddly he didn’t with a certain other “brilliant talent” who ended to getting them a pretty could payday and flopped every where else he went
COV
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Exactly, very well put.
Grendel
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He’s played 18 league 1 games for us and less championship games than Liam Kelly - no other club killed twice at him - so
Talent doesn’t create interest from other clubs?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Hahahaha
Brighton Sky Blue
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How does talent manifest itself?
Grendel
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By playing games?
Brighton Sky Blue
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So I assumed
lord_garrincha
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We will win by more than one goal next week.
I thought they played well today and we owe them one (actually two) from last season.
I thought they played well today and we owe them one (actually two) from last season.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I guess I meant 'how do you know a player is talented', and it'll be by what he does on the pitch and probably not just in one or two games.
cc84cov
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Example B : Julian Gray
Philosoraptor
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cc84cov
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Example D : Kevin Kyle
Brighton Sky Blue
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I think G was offering a poisoned pawn to poor COV
COV
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We'd best get shot of Jodi Jones pronto then hadn't we, how many games has he played at this level?
Its a strange argument and I'm kind of at a loss as to why its so hard to understand.
Some players have a great deal of natural ability which managers spot & which they show on the training pitch, but which for whatever reason they cannot or will not produce on any consistent basis on the pitch. Example= Bright so far, Eoin Jess was another according to Strachan.
Some players are not blessed with a great deal of ability but they work hard, improve themselves and achieve consistency. Example= we've had loads in this category- Lloyd McGrath immediately springs to mind, Liam Kelly more recently.
Some players have a great deal of natural ability and they work hard- as Evo correctly says these are the top level players, your Ronaldos.
Unless we're saying that Robins & others have got it completely wrong and don't know natural ability when they see it, Bright is very talented. Nobody knows if he will ever deliver on a consistent basis, but I'd say he's at the last chance saloon with us, which is probably a good thing for us.
Philosoraptor
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To quote the legendary philosophers 'Fun Boy Three',
"It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it. And that's what gets results."
"It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it. And that's what gets results."
Brighton Sky Blue
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Jones has shown talent further down the pyramid, he may or may not at this level. All I’m saying is people have judged a player to be the most talented at the club based on a loan spell in L1 a few years ago and since he’s if anything gone backwards. To me that doesn’t back up the assertion.
You’re right it’s his last chance though and if that doesn’t get him to perform he never will
Brighton Sky Blue
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A bit like your spaghetti graphs?
SlowerThanPlatt
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And even after that loan spell he had with us where he did do well, the best move he could get the following season was to a Wigan side who got relegated