covcity4life
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Not that iffy defensively imo.
Sheaf best player on pitch for me
Gyokres and waghorn look good too. Press well. Viktor a good dribbler.
Not that iffy defensively imo.He looked good going forward but a bit iffy defensively
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Not a nice thing to day about gyokores tbhNot that iffy defensively imo.
Sheaf best player on pitch for me
Gyokres and waghorn look good too. Press well. Viktor a good dribbler.
Who gives a fuck about Peterborough
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Ferguson actually said that 2 years before he sold him if you'd care to check. Then Allardyce said "we all know about his talent, he doesn't need to impress me as a footballer, its his discipline" before giving up.
So as with Bright- very talented but thats not the same as being a good player, which is the whole point being made.
Clearly didn’t see Bright play for us beforeFerguson actually said that 2 years before he sold him if you'd care to check. Then Allardyce said "we all know about his talent, he doesn't need to impress me as a footballer, its his discipline" before giving up.
So as with Bright- very talented but thats not the same as being a good player, which is the whole point being made.
Grendel wanted Kenny Jacket in charge,take no noticeFerguson actually said that 2 years before he sold him if you'd care to check. Then Allardyce said "we all know about his talent, he doesn't need to impress me as a footballer, its his discipline" before giving up.
So as with Bright- very talented but thats not the same as being a good player, which is the whole point being made.
Grendel wanted Kenny Jacket in charge,take no notice
Thanks pal
Nah, you’re right. Kanchelskis, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy were total shite.Ferguson doesn’t get rid of brilliant players and talent isn’t doing circus tricks - talent includes application, discipline and work rate - also he’s never been a talent at this level
Nah, you’re right. Kanchelskis, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy were total shite.
You can add Jaap Stam to that as well.
He did however admit getting rid of stam was a mistakeYou can add Jaap Stam to that as well.
Ferguson doesn’t get rid of brilliant players and talent isn’t doing circus tricks - talent includes application, discipline and work rate - also he’s never been a talent at this level
He did however admit getting rid of stam was a mistake
Tbf no it doesn't. Talent by it's very definition is somebody's natural aptitude. IE. What they are born with. Skill is the things that you mention. Bright is very talented. But whether he has the skills (application, discipline and work rate), the things that you refine with hours of practice is the question.
Tbf no it doesn't. Talent by it's very definition is somebody's natural aptitude. IE. What they are born with. Skill is the things that you mention. Bright is very talented. But whether he has the skills (application, discipline and work rate), the things that you refine with hours of practice is the question.
Exactly, very well put.
He’s played 18 league 1 games for us and less championship games than Liam Kelly - no other club killed twice at him - so
Talent doesn’t create interest from other clubs?
Tbf no it doesn't. Talent by it's very definition is somebody's natural aptitude. IE. What they are born with. Skill is the things that you mention. Bright is very talented. But whether he has the skills (application, discipline and work rate), the things that you refine with hours of practice is the question.
How does talent manifest itself?
By playing games?
For a talent to manifest , you need consistent hard work and dedication
Example A : Christiano Ronaldo
Example B : Julian GrayFor a talent to manifest , you need consistent hard work and dedication
Example A : Christiano Ronaldo
Example D : Kevin KyleExample C: Jay Bothroyd
Dogmatic assertion?
So I assumed
We'd best get shot of Jodi Jones pronto then hadn't we, how many games has he played at this level?
Its a strange argument and I'm kind of at a loss as to why its so hard to understand.
Some players have a great deal of natural ability which managers spot & which they show on the training pitch, but which for whatever reason they cannot or will not produce on any consistent basis on the pitch. Example= Bright so far, Eoin Jess was another according to Strachan.
Some players are not blessed with a great deal of ability but they work hard, improve themselves and achieve consistency. Example= we've had loads in this category- Lloyd McGrath immediately springs to mind, Liam Kelly more recently.
Some players have a great deal of natural ability and they work hard- as Evo correctly says these are the top level players, your Ronaldos.
Unless we're saying that Robins & others have got it completely wrong and don't know natural ability when they see it, Bright is very talented. Nobody knows if he will ever deliver on a consistent basis, but I'd say he's at the last chance saloon with us, which is probably a good thing for us.
To quote the legendary philosophers 'Fun Boy Three',
"It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it. And that's what gets results."
Jones has shown talent further down the pyramid, he may or may not at this level. All I’m saying is people have judged a player to be the most talented at the club based on a loan spell in L1 a few years ago and since he’s if anything gone backwards. To me that doesn’t back up the assertion.
You’re right it’s his last chance though and if that doesn’t get him to perform he never will
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