skybluetony176
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Don't delete the article, simply add a correction / amendment. Like I've been saying all along and you're so abrasive to clarity is needed. Contradictions aren't helping.
What are the dates on them both? Surely if they have said since the want aehc long term with no mention of building it's a case of changing. Or are they saying both at the same time?
If they delete the article, im sure nobody would be having digs about that either...
Oh ffs. No one believes we're ever going to build a fucking stadium so why do they believe they are going to move the academy. Its all horse shit that csf and wasps are using to help their PR. Its working a treat because mugs are buying it.
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Anderson has gone on record saying we want to stay at the higgs long term. Whilst we keep going around in circles on this wasps and csf will be happy as the attention is well away from them.It's not about what we believe, it's about duplicity and the lack of credibility it gives to not only "we are moving on" but also to "we want a long term commitment". The duplicity makes neither believable.
So we are going to take a statement from over a year ago to show that we don't really want commitment because what is said now is different.It's not about what we believe, it's about duplicity and the lack of credibility it gives to not only "we are moving on" but also to "we want a long term commitment". The duplicity makes neither believable.
It's not about what we believe, it's about duplicity and the lack of credibility it gives to not only "we are moving on" but also to "we want a long term commitment". The duplicity makes neither believable.
Which are?They can't formally say they are not considering it for obvious reasons.
They're a bunch of c-units.Just seen some of the comments on the telegraph site. Jeez, most of them make RFC look like an expert of goings on.
No Nick, deleting the article doesn't make the sham they've created go away. We've stated and still publicly declare on the official website that we're building an integrated first team and Cat 1 Academy facility. We've issued a contradictory statement stating we're staying at the Higgs long term. A sensible person would publicly withdraw one before declaring the other.What are the dates on them both? Surely if they have said since the want aehc long term with no mention of building it's a case of changing. Or are they saying both at the same time?
If they delete the article, im sure nobody would be having digs about that either...
No Nick, deleting the article doesn't make the sham they've created go away. We've stated and still publicly declare on the official website that we're building an integrated first team and Cat 1 Academy facility. We've issued a contradictory statement stating we're staying at the Higgs long term. A sensible person would publicly withdraw one before declaring the other.
We've stated we're building our own stadium this year, not the Highfield 2 nonsense, the rebuild of the Butts. At the same time this hit the press, we're negotiating, but failing, to get a new long term deal at the Ricoh due to 'noise'.
Someone else used the word 'duplicity' and that for me is the perfect word. There are vocal people on here who claim these things are just being used by Wasps/CSF/CCC as PR, but I've not seen any of these parties make a big play about any of these things. The people who are vocal about the duplicity tend to be fans like me, who hate all this shit and long for a time when I could moan about Strachan's randomiser team selections or how shit the purple kit was (even though I wore it in Majorca on my holidays).
We have been run for years by idiots and not many on here would disagree with that. I do disagree with the conspiracy theories that there's some plan by CCC to rid the city of it's football team, but I understand that type of person exists. I've grown tired of arguing with said people.
I've learned plenty being on this site and I hope to remain objective enough to be educated further. However, I can't take a view that puts the reason we find our football club in such a parlous state is because of the Council, Wasps or the new 'enemy', CSF. The statements, the bluster, the 'we batter people in court' mentality existed right from the outset. SISU came in and promised a lot and required all of our shares to do it. Granted, they inherited a financial basket case, but other than one or two successful players and our current manager, I'd struggle to name many things SISU have done right.
CCFC is moving towards the fully integrated football model whereby there is no longer a silo model in which Academy and the first team group rarely work together.
Dismantling the silos both promotes the acceleration of young players’ development and is aspirational for the younger players – they work with the first team group which includes former Academy players – therefore encouraging others to follow the very same pathway.
The vision incorporates a first team-Academy training facility – a facility that is designed and built to facilitate and future proof a Category One status. Having the first team and Academy working on the same site inspires.
CCFC is one of very few clubs in League One that has Category Two status Academy.
The Academy is a cornerstone of the club, has and continues to be a source of first team talent.
The Academy costs in excess of £1.2m per year – of which £500K is a grant. The rest of the funding comes from club income.
The Academy is not a profit centre. The value to the club is generating and cultivating talent locally by developing players who understand what the club means to supporters and whose ambition is to play in the CCFC first team.
Inevitably – and this is true of all but a handful of clubs at the top of the Premier League – there will be occasions when we lose players. Callum Wilson is a classic example. He was outstanding for us in the 13/14 season, but that attracted interest from other clubs. On a personal level, Callum was offered a life-changing deal and could well be playing in the Premier League next season.
The objective then becomes ensuring that the club maximises the return on its long term investment – given the Academy’s input over what can be a eight or nine year period.
Because it was bullshit then, it's bullshit now and it's contradictory to what has just been publicly stated. Even Kieran Crowley admitted it - BUT IT'S STILL THERE!!!!Why would they publically withdraw a statement from 18 months or so ago?
Who the fuck's going to build that for them? There's no room for the 1st team at the Higgs and certainly no willingness from CSF to work with them. Also, in the months since January 2015, exactly what did CCFC do to make any of this fanciful vision happen? You should know the answer to that.PS. at no point in that article does it say "we" are building anything. It mentions a "vision" and says we would use a facility designed and built. It doesn't say we are building anything. Then CA saying we would have the first team at the Higgs kind of then backs up a lot of the other stuff in there doesn't it?
Because it was bullshit then, it's bullshit now and it's contradictory to what has just been publicly stated. Even Kieran Crowley admitted it - BUT IT'S STILL THERE!!!!
Who the fuck's going to build that for them? There's no room for the 1st team at the Higgs and certainly no willingness from CSF to work with them. Also, in the months since January 2015, exactly what did CCFC do to make any of this fanciful vision happen? You should know the answer to that.
You still can't see the glaring dichotomy here Nick and I'm about done with this place already.
To help fast track this initiative symbolically and practically, we also are prepared to move all football operations, including our 1st team training base to the Higgs Centre and therefore into the city of Coventry.
Since the story first broke concerning Wasps and the acadamy, I've been convinced
SISU don't want it and see the situation as an ideal opportunity to drop it and blame
others.
Nothing I've heard, seen or read since inc the lodging of this formal planning objection,
has changed my mind.
Just CA going through the necessary motions. IMHO
Because they don't need a "get out of jail card" it's us who need help, I think they knowIt could well be, but then surely Wasps / CSF could blow CA away and get the perfect "get out of jail free card" by putting this fantastic offer in writing. They put the academy situation on a plate and then if CCFC turn it down when it is there in black and white it is obvious isn't it?
It was CSF / Wasps who said it wouldn't be possible when the news first broke wasn't it? CA is leaving himself wide open with a huge bluff by demanding everything in writing isn't he if they don't actually want it? His pants will be well and truly down and they will have gone in dry.
(This isn't me saying you are wrong, just some things don't add up with that theory).
Because they don't need a "get out of jail card" it's us who need help, I think they know
As well as we do that SISU don't want it and are reluctant to get dragged into one of
Their silly games.
The irony is we will probably end up in court ( fucking up Ricoh talks once and for all)
Over something the club were desperate to stop funding anyway.
The fact the rental deal runs out in a year, why let it run down so much, they saySo why are they so bothered about public opinion of them? Have a look at the thread on here saying Boycott them. If there was pressure on Wasps they would shit themselves.
You are right, they probably don't need a get out of jail card as they can do whatever they want and just say "it is SISU's fault" and everybody backs off and forgets about them.
Has it been said they were desperate to get rid of the academy?
So they don't want the academy because they put money into the club last season?The fact the rental deal runs out in a year, why let it run down so much, they say
It costs 1.2 m per year to fund (at least) of which 1/2 m is in the form of a grant.
Why would SISU who 'openly admit " the club needs to be financially independent
Of the owners be content to pay 3/4 m per year when they can still run the club
Without it.
Thats not what i said, it costs them about 700.000 k per year to fund the academy, they canSo they don't want the academy because they put money into the club last season?
How long was this agreement? Hasn't ca said since he first came he wanted to make it long term there?
It could well be they want to close it down, but some things just don't add up for me with that. The main ones being him asking for everything in writing and the shocking attempt to deflect any blame...
Sorry I don't get what you are saying?No, they said the academy being there wasn't didn't they? When the news first came out.
PS. at no point in that article does it say "we" are building anything. It mentions a "vision" and says we would use a facility designed and built. It doesn't say we are building anything.
How have I justified it? I just pointed out it didn't say "we are building an academy". It is probably also telling the fact I wrote it as "vision"...A "vision" - Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Are there no depths to which you will sink in order to justify, retroactively, the ludicrous and contradictory statements made by SISU?
Why do we and SISU expect someone else to provide the basic facilities a football club needs. Why not just build our own academy facility? You never know if they did a proper job we could receive revenue from it 365 days per year and put the revenue towards the playing budget instead of losing players to teams like Bradford and Sheff U.How have I justified it? I just pointed out it didn't say "we are building an academy". It is probably also telling the fact I wrote it as "vision"...
The fact the rental deal runs out in a year, why let it run down so much, they say
It costs 1.2 m per year to fund (at least) of which 1/2 m is in the form of a grant.
Why would SISU who 'openly admit " the club needs to be financially independent
Of the owners be content to pay 3/4 m per year when they can still run the club
Without it.
Can't you admit it is bullshit.How have I justified it? I just pointed out it didn't say "we are building an academy". It is probably also telling the fact I wrote it as "vision"...
Can't see where I've said I think it's amazing and fully believe it.Can't you admit it is bullshit.
So say you don't believe it.Can't see where I've said I think it's amazing and fully believe it.
Just that it didn't say we would build one and does match him saying he wants to move the first team there. I haven't said that's viable either.
But still, wasps and csf have used that article, good distraction to do whatever the hell they want isn't it?
Seeing people continually defend the indefensible is disheartening"done with this place" ? Why?
"a facility that is designed and built to facilitate and future proof a Category One status" is a line from the article. Who's designing it and who's building it if not CCFC?"
You said that article said they were going to build something. It says it was their vision, it doesn't say "we are building an academy" does it?
If you recall, I started a thread about getting the Local Government Ombudsman involved because the Council are not sticking to what they agreed. You pointed me at a thread where you said it had been discussed before but it was just a load of bickering. If you really think the Council are at fault, you have to prove maladministration and a personal impact on you (or as I suggested, the SBT). As far as I can work out, you're happy to blame them but have taken no steps to hold them to account.Meanwhile, the council put conditions on a sale in black and white that it must not damage CCFC (and CRFC) that just gets swept away. No blame in CCC's court.
Why do we and SISU expect someone else to provide the basic facilities a football club needs. Why not just build our own academy facility? You never know if they did a proper job we could receive revenue from it 365 days per year and put the revenue towards the playing budget instead of losing players to teams like Bradford and Sheff U.
Seeing people continually defend the indefensible is disheartening
"a facility that is designed and built to facilitate and future proof a Category One status" is a line from the article. Who's designing it and who's building it if not CCFC?
If you recall, I started a thread about getting the Local Government Ombudsman involved because the Council are not sticking to what they agreed. You pointed me at a thread where you said it had been discussed before but it was just a load of bickering. If you really think the Council are at fault, you have to prove maladministration and a personal impact on you (or as I suggested, the SBT). As far as I can work out, you're happy to blame them but have taken no steps to hold them to account.
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