Ring Of Steel
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Again- modular isn't lego, its not quite that simple. And cautious is smart- but excluding people when demand would clearly be there, not so smart.
And again if it looks like we need it we can quickly add the extra capacity but if we build it as more and we don't need it then it turns into the Ricoh mark 2 and noone wants that. What's wrong with being cautious at the moment, who knows where we will be in 5 years time
Again- modular isn't lego, its not quite that simple. And cautious is smart- but excluding people when demand would clearly be there, not so smart.
Yeah but back in the day there were touts selling Man Utd tickets in the home end?
As it stands at the moment, we are going to be a lower end (hopefully more mid table) Championship club. That's the reality of the situation, if it gets to the point where were are knocking on the door of the Premiership and a sellout every week then it can be the case that upgrading capacity can be looked at.
Safe standing would also be an easy way to increase capacity.
I don't know if you're saying you don't believe me about that game, but look at the West End when Man Utd score. It was horrendous.
So again, let's make sure the demand is ALWAYS there so they have no choice. Rather than just if we get a big cup draw.
By making it too small so we cut our nose off to spite our face and screw over fans?So again, let's make sure the demand is ALWAYS there so they have no choice. Rather than just if we get a big cup draw.
No I am saying it is pointless worrying about things like that just yet.
If we end up playing teams like Man Utd every week then it can be worried about, surely?
Ensuring that is down to the owners. And assuming they do indeed intend to maintain progress & beyond its a little puzzling as to why they'd be planning to build so small.
Again- modular isn't lego, its not quite that simple. And cautious is smart- but excluding people when demand would clearly be there, not so smart.
Absolutely. This is an announcement you make when you're in L2, not in The Championship with fans excited at seeing a superb team and dreaming of top flight football again within our lifetimes.Ensuring that is down to the owners. And assuming they do indeed intend to maintain progress & beyond its a little puzzling as to why they'd be planning to build so small.
Not buying that. It's down to the people who sing "City till I die" but turn up when we play a big name or there is a bandwagon.
I have missed the beginning of this, but it does seem like you're arguing over small (proportionately!) numbers.Ensuring that is down to the owners. And assuming they do indeed intend to maintain progress & beyond its a little puzzling as to why they'd be planning to build so small.
Absolutely. This is an announcement you make when you're in L2, not in The Championship with fans excited at seeing a superb team and dreaming of top flight football again within our lifetimes.
Anyway, I'll stop arguing in circles now and leave you with my final point: this forum is not entirely in favour of this announcement, so shouldn't be making statements saying it is.
Absolutely. This is an announcement you make when you're in L2, not in The Championship with fans excited at seeing a superb team and dreaming of top flight football again within our lifetimes.
Anyway, I'll stop arguing in circles now and leave you with my final point: this forum is not entirely in favour of this announcement, so shouldn't be making statements saying it is.
right since we were relegated what was our average attendance?
there was a new stadium bounce, but there’s no point rattling around in an empty stadium. 20k is good - possibly 22k. Review at the end of each season?
we’re grossly overestimating our support, in one of our most important games in years (Notts country play off at home - didn’t we get 15k?)
I have missed the beginning of this, but it does seem like you're arguing over small (proportionately!) numbers.
Personally, I'd be happy with 20k to get a stadium up and running, *as long as* we were looking ASAP to hit 24k, and aim for 28k in the medium-long term.
Falmer started at 22.5k, and I'd have them as maybe a benchmark. 18k is too small, 20k is on the low end of acceptable, 24k high end of the Brighton model.
right since we were relegated what was our average attendance?
there was a new stadium bounce, but there’s no point rattling around in an empty stadium. 20k is good - possibly 22k. Review at the end of each season?
we’re grossly overestimating our support, in one of our most important games in years (Notts country play off at home - didn’t we get 15k?)
right since we were relegated what was our average attendance?
there was a new stadium bounce, but there’s no point rattling around in an empty stadium. 20k is good - possibly 22k. Review at the end of each season?
we’re grossly overestimating our support, in one of our most important games in years (Notts country play off at home - didn’t we get 15k?)
But there is no proof the demand is there mate, I'm sure if we go back to the Ricoh for the next 5 years and the attendances are 18k plus every week then they will reconsider the capacity whilst it's being built and add more size on but 18-20k is perfect for where we are right now
I suppose the next question would be if our own ground at 18k and a club in the Championship would be saleable enough for SISU, then.This is the main thing- call me cynical of our owners but I have no faith at all that we'd make those next steps and increase even if it was clear demand was there. I'd rather have 24k now and make do with that for the next x yrs than have 18k with vague promises that then never happen.
Sunderland have history of 35k to 40k crowds - justifies their stadium.
we rarely get over 18k... hence the reason for an 18-20k stadium
I suppose the next question would be if our own ground at 18k and a club in the Championship would be saleable enough for SISU, then.
I dunno, it depends who their backers really are, and what they want, doesn't it? To me, it boils down to whatever the ground is. Falmer's the benchmark I'd set, a decent ground that blends into its landscape, and could be increased as and when needed. If, however, we got cheapy flat-pack, then all bets are off.
I do also get the logic of making tickets something in demand, so season ticket sales increase rather than people waiting until the last minute to walk up (or not!) as they know full well they'll always get the ticket.
It is also progress from the initial fantasy stadium I suppose. Design: Coventry City Stadium – StadiumDB.com
This is what I am hoping I guess- there is a long way to go on this assuming it actually happens, between now and then I just hope they make a slightly more realistic assessment of what support would be assuming we're a well established Championship club by then.
I agee 100%, for all their faults in the past I think sisu have finally got their head around the running of a football club... if it comes to say 3 years time and we have established ourselves as a championship team then they would be idiots not to look at adding more which is the joy of the modular build as it can be increased with relative ease and with the partnership with the uni I reckon they would press for the this as well.... The flip side is of course if things go to shit and find ourselves in league 2 in 3 years time then 18k is more than enough
If they hadn't specifically mentioned the modular aspects then I would have similar concerns as you but personally I think they are doing it the right way
Well don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not expecting it to be delivered! If they do end up with our own Falmer, then even I might be prepared to forgive SISU just about everything.Thats my horrible suspicion- the only thing we have to go on is an apparent admiration for Shrewsbury's ground & a few comments about Fisher loving Rotherham's stadium. I am basically worried that we are going to end up with an extremely functional & cost effective ground thats also total rubbish, and does not reflect who we are and who we want to be- and who the owners themselves have said they want us to be.
Well don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not expecting it to be delivered! If they do end up with our own Falmer, then even I might be prepared to forgive SISU just about everything.
First stage is actually getting something concrete down beyond a statement though really. Give me our own Falmer anyday. Give me some of the others no day of the week. The other fear, of course, is we end up with a Withdean disguised by flashy facades, waiting for the Ricoh to become available... although I suppose that's better than the current circumstance!
Which part of the statement did you disagree with? The statement wasn’t entirely in favour of the announcement as I’m sure you read.Absolutely. This is an announcement you make when you're in L2, not in The Championship with fans excited at seeing a superb team and dreaming of top flight football again within our lifetimes.
Anyway, I'll stop arguing in circles now and leave you with my final point: this forum is not entirely in favour of this announcement, so shouldn't be making statements saying it is.
Hopefully. Currently the pattern is treading a kind of familiar path though. We need to move off statements to the next phase, really. Then maybe we can start arguing about the colour of the hotel curtains.That does have to be borne in mind, these are at least very much 'First World Problems' when you look back at the last decade or so.
Hopefully. Currently the pattern is treading a kind of familiar path though. We need to move off statements to the next phase, really. Then maybe we can start arguing about the colour of the hotel curtains.
You could argue it was announce4d seven years ago, so I've given them plenty of chance.Tbf it was only announced yesterday mate, give them a bit of a chance at least
If we're in the Prem and there is a demand the expansion will be carried out to 35K which would currently be the 11th biggest ground in the PL. Is that not enough? How much larger does the proposed capacity need to be to satisfy you?The only Premier League club averaging under 20k.
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