No the sane buyer buys acl and the freehold, or just acl. or acl and agrees a price for a lease extension up to 99 years with the council.
The insane buyer asks to buy something that can't be sold and the insane poster posts in support of them.
I am of the belief that this is the issue though. Your comment implies its unreasonable, my response suggests its the only arrangement any sane buyer would countenance.
Grendel raises a good point though MMM and it's a continuing point in Smouch's post below, when Richardson planned to build the Arena, it was because he wanted a venue that could be used 365 days a year to be able to fully support the growth of the Club, I am not surprised Sisu want it all, it was the original pipe dream of one of the many parties that put us in this mess. PH4 is no different, as is no one else that would come in.
As has been said on previous posts the key word in what she said was "unfettered". It would appear that SISU want CCC to handle the winding up of ACL's lease, which in turn would require ACL to wind up their leases. This would be an expensive and complicated affair. Far easier and more pragmatic would be for SISU to buy ACL too.
Either SISU aren't prepared to pay the price for this or this is another shifting of stance by them that enables them the illusion of negotiation perhaps pending the JR decision.
Yes it was brilliant,when the women were cleaning your wheels they would sling their saggy's over their shoulder so not to get in the way.
Grendel raises a good point though MMM and it's a continuing point in Smouch's post below, when Richardson planned to build the Arena, it was because he wanted a venue that could be used 365 days a year to be able to fully support the growth of the Club, I am not surprised Sisu want it all, it was the original pipe dream of one of the many parties that put us in this mess. PH4 is no different, as is no one else that would come in.
I'm sorry MMM, I'm with grenduffy on this. The whole package. A night in a hotel, 3 meals. Booze and games in a casino. Valet parking. Other outlets benefiting from sales. That's the key
90 mins and a balti pie. Forget it
Exactly, but I think we need to empathise more how stupid and ridiculous a request it really is.
Stupidly Expensive, Stupidly complicated, incredibly inefficient time and cost wise, incredibly risky and completely bat shit nuts
And this is the reason why we are in Northampton.
Joy has admitted she knows nothing about football. But she knows how to make money for her investors. This don't mean making money for our football club. Timothy admitted that our club wouldn't own the stadium if they got it. SISU and their investors would own everything.
Can anyone explain how any of this would help our football club? They have proved to me they don't care about our club or us fans.
I think you've been reading too much council literature. I think for the "right" buyer it could happen. The new buzz word is "unfettered" are you seriously saying to me that such a deal has never happened ever in the history of buying and selling?
Two points. Firstly, do you have any evidence that PH4 wanted this? I have it on record he wanted to buy the council's share of ACL, and there are reports that he wanted to buy the Higgs share too. He expressed an interest in the football club in administration too. But I can't see anywhere where it's reported be looked at the freehold of the Arena, or it's surrounding land. Without this, all we're left with is 'I bet he wanted', or 'I think his ambition was'.....
Whereas, and the reason I wanted to separate the debates, is that this is a statement, made by the leader of the council, coming from her own lips. Therefore we, can debate as to how 'reasonable' it is. That's the difference
No. It's of no help to the club. And??
Grendal stated what he thinks they are after. I agree. It's of no benefit to CCFC.
Are the ticket prices at Arsenal of benefit to their supporters?
Yes, that's the key issue now and has been for years - the club must own all revenue streams generated in and around the stadium. No matter who owns the club.
Is there a second point or did you forget it??
No there is no evidence that he wanted it but PH4 is a property developer so I am going to go out and say more than likely, lets then take Byng as well they wanted the whole thing so they could invest to the land around it, Sisu are no different, if you have it on record dear chap I'd like to see it, because from what I remember it was never stated in any article by CT.
As has been said on previous posts the key word in what she said was "unfettered". It would appear that SISU want CCC to handle the winding up of ACL's lease, which in turn would require ACL to wind up their leases. This would be an expensive and complicated affair. Far easier and more pragmatic would be for SISU to buy ACL too.
I haven't heard anything that would suggest that CCC would rule this out and I think that Higgs, as part owners of ACL, would go along too.
Either SISU aren't prepared to pay the price for this or this is another shifting of stance by them that enables them the illusion of negotiation perhaps pending the JR decision.
And are you saying it would be able to happen with taxpayers money when it would cost more to pay off all contracts and loans than SISU would pay once everything has been settled?
And this is the reason why we are in Northampton.
Joy has admitted she knows nothing about football. But she knows how to make money for her investors. This don't mean making money for our football club. Timothy admitted that our club wouldn't own the stadium if they got it. SISU and their investors would own everything.
Can anyone explain how any of this would help our football club? They have proved to me they don't care about our club or us fans.
Is there a second point or did you forget it??
No there is no evidence that he wanted it but PH4 is a property developer so I am going to go out and say more than likely, lets then take Byng as well they wanted the whole thing so they could invest to the land around it, Sisu are no different, if you have it on record dear chap I'd like to see it, because from what I remember it was never stated in any article by CT.
I assume acl own the contracts? What would happen if prior to sake the loan was demanded back and they were liquidated? What happens to the contracts?
And what evidence is there that this will happen? Lobotomy saying he believes? He has as much of a clue as you do.
I think you've been reading too much council literature. I think for the "right" buyer it could happen. The new buzz word is "unfettered" are you seriously saying to me that such a deal has never happened ever in the history of buying and selling?
Yes, that's the key issue now and has been for years - the club must own all revenue streams generated in and around the stadium. No matter who owns the club.
So why would any supporter of CCFC want something to happen that wouldn't benefit our club? All it would do is tighten their grasp on our club. And they don't care about it or us.
I assume acl own the contracts? What would happen if prior to sake the loan was demanded back and they were liquidated? What happens to the contracts?
Of course they want the land. They would need it to build this new stadium which is plan A.
Didn't Bob Ainsworth post a map showing some of the land (one of the car parks?) belonged to the council and imply that SISU wanted that handed over to them as well?
And this is the reason why we are in Northampton.
Joy has admitted she knows nothing about football. But she knows how to make money for her investors. This don't mean making money for our football club. Timothy admitted that our club wouldn't own the stadium if they got it. SISU and their investors would own everything.
Can anyone explain how any of this would help our football club? They have proved to me they don't care about our club or us fans.
You can't demand a loan back, there will be a contract. Think how much money banks could make if they demanded their mortgage back
And a Helter Skelter
Two points. Firstly, do you have any evidence that PH4 wanted this? I have it on record he wanted to buy the council's share of ACL, and there are reports that he wanted to buy the Higgs share too. He expressed an interest in the football club in administration too. But I can't see anywhere where it's reported be looked at the freehold of the Arena, or it's surrounding land. Without this, all we're left with is 'I bet he wanted', or 'I think his ambition was'.....
Whereas, and the reason I wanted to separate the debates, is that this is a statement, made by the leader of the council, coming from her own lips. Therefore we, can debate as to how 'reasonable' it is. That's the difference
You'll find that most owners know nothing about football. From the Glazers to Tan to SISU.
Old age, defeats me again with the second question. So, what you are saying is that you have no evidence that PH4 wanted to buy the freehold; whereas Ann Lucas clearly stated that this is SISU's clear demand - but you think the situations are the same in any context? And you wonder why it's frustrating when people include 'similar' situations to avoid answering a straight question like 'how reasonable is SISU's position'? :facepalm:
Well, he must be a pretty crap property developer then if he wants to buy something where he can't develop property. Maybe he was only buying into us because he thought Joe E was a nice bloke? "Nah, Joe. Nothing in it for me. I'm doing it for the kids."
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