Greggs
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Rich people problems
Rich people problemsWhat if a family of 4 live in a house abs they all have a car?
There’s a 6 month waiting list for diesel jaguars at the moment (they couldn’t give them away 24 months ago). It’s not demand related it’s supply due post Covid issues in China
What if a family of 4 live in a house abs they all have a car?
Where does someone who lives in a block of flats charge their middle class car?OK G, let’s come back in five years and see where we are. If you don’t think EV sales will grow exponentially over the next 8 years there’s nothing I can say to convince you. But you are very much against all expert opinion out there.
Again, somebody needs to pay for the infrastructure. shmmeee seems to be labouring under the assumption I'm a luddite, whereas what I actually want is someone assist those unable to afford it, or accept it won't happen as quickly as hoped...What if a family of 4 live in a house abs they all have a car?
It's a 2013 1.6 Skoda with 70,000 miles on it. I'm guessing you're taking the piss with the maestro remark.Because we’re already selling EVs as fast as we can make them, no one is spinning up a production line because you’d decided the Maestro has to go a year early.
Where do you charge them if you live in a terraced house? Or are they just for people who can afford a detached mansion with charging ports in the double garage??
Convenient.......There is an electric car on a street of terraced / semi detached houses near me, they run a cable across the pavement!
Apparently this is commonplace now to the extent that some local authorities will , for a fee, channel out a cable run and install ducting from your boundary to the road.There is an electric car on a street of terraced / semi detached houses near me, they run a cable across the pavement!
If you don't like them, just park in the spaces nearest their home before they get back themselves...?There is an electric car on a street of terraced / semi detached houses near me, they run a cable across the pavement!
Again, somebody needs to pay for the infrastructure. shmmeee seems to be labouring under the assumption I'm a luddite, whereas what I actually want is someone assist those unable to afford it, or accept it won't happen as quickly as hoped...
And if it'll happen anyway, then we don't need congestion charges, scrappage schemes and the like, and natural obsolescnce will do the trick regardless... and we'd be better off focussing on improving public transport than wringing our hands about a congestion charge that serves no real purpose.
Doesn't help if you don't live in a new building!Every new building will have charging
Doesn't help if you don't live in a new building!
There is an electric car on a street of terraced / semi detached houses near me, they run a cable across the pavement!
Hang on, so now you're saying you have to go shopping daily to charge your car?!?Can you please clarify who TF this hypothetical person is, who makes up a majority of the population, lives in a flat, doesn’t have work parking, never goes to the shops, doesn’t live near enough people for public charging to be built nearby in the next 17 years and is too poor to spend a few hundred quid more on a car but not so poor they can continue to run an increasingly more expensive car?
And all this is assuming we don’t crack self driving in the next couple of decades to a level where car ownership is still even a thing.
Congestion charges are generally in a response to air quality issues, not climate change. We haven’t had a scrappage scheme for years and the grant stopped this year because it’s not seen as needed due to sales picking up. So, yeah you’re right.
Focus on government spending in this area has shifted to charging infrastructure. I’m still not sure what help you want other than that? Every new building will have charging, workplaces and retail hotspots will have charging, service stations will have charging, and there’ll be public chargers, and the cost will plummet anyway so you’re talking about less of an investment than a new phone. The number of people left affected will be tiny.
I dont think you’re a Luddite, I think you don’t appreciate that the state of the market today won’t be the state of the market in 18 years.
I would like a shift to more personal mobility and public transport because it think it’s a good thing in its own right for a host of reasons. But behaviour shift isn’t a practical solution for climate change generally.
Workplaces can be progressive, but we have a conscious decision to not have as many parking places as there are employees, to encourage walking / public transport / car sharing / wfh. That's fine but, if people can't charge their cars at home so come into work to do that, it kind of defeats the purpose somewhat. And that is what would happen!I honestly think it would be a massive challenge. The amount of work needed to install the infrastructure in my street would be incredible.
My workplace would be a better bet and the company is quite progressive regarding climate initiatives.
I wouldn't bother driving to work at all if there were cycle lanes but I'm not putting my life at risk on the roads.
Workplaces can be progressive, but we have a conscious decision to not have as many parking places as there are employees, to encourage walking / public transport / car sharing / wfh. That's fine but, if people can't charge their cars at home so come into work to do that, it kind of defeats the purpose somewhat. And that is what would happen!
At which point we're back to the need to invest to support people, or we risk creating a cattle class.The parking space issue apllies to residential builds as well. There's issues around parking a the development being built at the back of Spon End for example.
Where do these people park their cars let alone charge them?
Workplaces can be progressive, but we have a conscious decision to not have as many parking places as there are employees, to encourage walking / public transport / car sharing / wfh. That's fine but, if people can't charge their cars at home so come into work to do that, it kind of defeats the purpose somewhat. And that is what would happen!
Two thirds of households have off-road parking. If you’re not going to work each day, you probably don’t need to charge your car each night and can just do it once a week at the weekend.
Also totally forgot but portable chargers are a thing now, so you could charge at home and bring it out to your car.
Two thirds of households have off-road parking. If you’re not going to work each day, you probably don’t need to charge your car each night and can just do it once a week at the weekend.
Also totally forgot but portable chargers are a thing now, so you could charge at home and bring it out to your car.
Two thirds of households where?
If people are affording electric cars they will need a job.
I'm still not sure what world people live in.
As stated several times: the world of 2040 where petrol cats have been banned for 10 years, and electric cars are significantly cheaper to produce anyway, and also where we probably have much less reliance on expensive and volatile fuel sources for the electricity, so the fuel differential is even bigger
On off road parking: your view is skewed because you live in a city, where it’s more like 40%, but in huge parts of the country it’s as low as 1/6: A third of UK homeowners don’t have a driveway or garage to
But if you live in a city you’re less likely to drive long distances daily and more likely to benefit from investment in other transport types anyway.
The point is that once you hit a certain tipping point then the whole industry will shift around electric and owning an ICE car will be worth less and less, while providing for everyone’s needs will be more profitable. Of course charging companies aren’t setting up charge points in Foleshill terraced side streets now, that’s not where the car owners are, but once that shifts they will.
I don't believe that stat regarding off road parking for one minute.
Portable charging seems to me to be the only way to make this work.
You laugh but kids getting on the housing ladder by the time everyone is forced to drive electric cars and there may well be the need for quad chargers.And they all drive 300 miles a day?
Even if it is 2/3, 1/3 being disenfranchised is not great.I don't think there's anywhere near 2/3rds off road parking in Earlsdon or Chapel fields or Allssley and there aren't many their either.
The only road I can think of which has some is Spencer Ave and there's not many. I appreciate its early days but even with a program of building, if you can't find a parking space half the time how can you be sure of finding a charging point?
As stated several times: the world of 2040 where petrol cats have been banned for 10 years, and electric cars are significantly cheaper to produce anyway, and also where we probably have much less reliance on expensive and volatile fuel sources for the electricity, so the fuel differential is even bigger
On off road parking: your view is skewed because you live in a city, where it’s more like 40%, but in huge parts of the country it’s as low as 1/6: A third of UK homeowners don’t have a driveway or garage to
But if you live in a city you’re less likely to drive long distances daily and more likely to benefit from investment in other transport types anyway.
The point is that once you hit a certain tipping point then the whole industry will shift around electric and owning an ICE car will be worth less and less, while providing for everyone’s needs will be more profitable. Of course charging companies aren’t setting up charge points in Foleshill terraced side streets now, that’s not where the car owners are, but once that shifts they will.
This is all assuming no improvement in charging tech as well, there’s prototype fast charging batteries at six minutes for a full charge, which makes petrol station style charging possible. The current Tesla supercharger can add 200 miles of range in 15 minutes. We’re already down from “long meal” to “coffee and a shit” timescales.
Especially when areas with higher indices of deprivation will be in that one-third. We're creating a two-tier society here and potentially pushing people into poverty by forcing them to buy cars for which there is no cheap alternative.Even if it is 2/3, 1/3 being disenfranchised is not great.
Yes. Even better, people who live on the first floor or higher in an inner city block of flats could have an extendable cable they could throw off their balcony down to the battalion of charging points at the base of their block.Two thirds of households have off-road parking. If you’re not going to work each day, you probably don’t need to charge your car each night and can just do it once a week at the weekend.
Also totally forgot but portable chargers are a thing now, so you could charge at home and bring it out to your car.
No chance. A neat regiment of grilles/ acos every 12 feet across every footpath in towns and cities across the country which fill up with water, leaves and any other matter the householder has to clear out once a week. Brilliant.Keeping in mind that people will rob fucking anything thats not nailed down, I can't really see a future where the pavements of terrace streets are full of neatly aligned portable chargers......
...I can however foresee a shitload of legal claims for people tripping over the cables....
I don't think there's anywhere near 2/3rds off road parking in Earlsdon or Chapel fields or Allssley and there aren't many their either.
The only road I can think of which has some is Spencer Ave and there's not many. I appreciate its early days but even with a program of building, if you can't find a parking space half the time how can you be sure of finding a charging point?
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