no_loyalty
Well-Known Member
Is Wilder likely to retire after this defeat?
Still think he went in thinking of Usyk as a cruiserweight and he'd just have to connect at some stage. Joshua needs to add a bit more nasty in the ring.
His people will probably try and chase an Usyk fight. He probably is 2nd best heavyweight still - he's just not going to close the gap to FuryIs Wilder likely to retire after this defeat?
People don't tend to talk about what a tremendous engine Fury has for a man of his size. All these heavyweights that concentrate on adding muscle just tire themselves out throwing early bombs. Usyk put on weight to fight AJ - Wilder added muscle to fight Fury.
All the punch stats show how Fury was massively better at connecting compared to Wilder just throwing - Wilder's jab disappeared after round 2
I was so wrong ever thinking AJ was better than Fury.The Joshua fanboys have gone awfully quiet
He's got a lot of assets you don't expect from a man of his size, especially his mobility and upper body movement.
Ironically he probably lacks a bit of power for someone that big though Wilder might disagree.
I'd still rather get in ring with Tyson Fury than his old man!
I agree Clint. He was consistently catching Wilder clean (who looked done from rounds 3-4) and didn’t take him out until very late. That’s not to say he doesn’t have power, he does, but not as much as others at the division. It’s also because he’s more of a boxer so he’s not looking to load up a lot of the time....unlike Wilder who throws his right from the back of the stadium ! AJs got the power but not close on boxing ability/ringcraft. Still a fight I’d love to see
Whyte Fury next ordered by the WBC,Usyk AJ tied up with rematchThere will be no 4th fight, Fury will beat him again I mean shall we keep going say best of 20? Fury would still have 19 wins and one draw.
I don’t feel there’s anyone out there atm who’d live with him.
Whyte is not in the same universe as Fury so that’ll be a mismatch.Whyte Fury next ordered by the WBC,Usyk AJ tied up with rematch
Fury too big and will lean and bully himUsyk would be interesting, a smart boxer with strong power, probably would need to stay light and try to wear out Fury but Fury wouldn't be gun shy like AJ was. Wilder should have lost 7lb rather than put it on, wasn't enough to protect him and didn't gain punching power, a quicker version avoiding Fury but with the power may have been a better option. Great fight though.
Sounds like it was a brilliant fight, Fury must have some chin if he took a couple of knockdowns from Wilder and still got up to dominate him from the 4th onward! It also sounds like Wilder was much better than I thought he'd be, or certainly tougher anyway. Need to watch it at some point. Hopefully he's back in the UK next to fight Whyte before we see him vs Usyk/Joshua next year....this is boxing though so we'll probably see him beat up garbage like Eric Molina next
And a lose lose fight really.Mandatory defence vs Whyte now.
Got to agree with John Fury though, such a step down it's difficult to see Tyson being motivated for that.
Mandatory defence vs Whyte now.
Got to agree with John Fury though, such a step down it's difficult to see Tyson being motivated for that.
Mandatory defence vs Whyte now.
Got to agree with John Fury though, such a step down it's difficult to see Tyson being motivated for that.
Irritating whyte is tbh , in the way of the fights we all want to see
Has almost zero chance of winning too
Whyte deserves a pop (if he beats Wallin) and Fury should probably fight someone rather than twiddling his thumbs waiting for Usyk to dismantle Joshua again.Irritating whyte is tbh , in the way of the fights we all want to see
Has almost zero chance of winning too
Usyk would be interesting, a smart boxer with strong power, probably would need to stay light and try to wear out Fury but Fury wouldn't be gun shy like AJ was. Wilder should have lost 7lb rather than put it on, wasn't enough to protect him and didn't gain punching power, a quicker version avoiding Fury but with the power may have been a better option. Great fight though.
To be fair Whytes been WBC mandatory for years. Wilder was allowed to swerve him to fight old man Ortiz (again) and then Breazeale, which was out of order and shouldn’t have been allowed. Appreciate he’s probably not in Fury’s league but he deserves a world title shot as much/more so than most in top 10. Unfortunately that’s the problem with all the licensing bodies and their mandatories...as you say, they get on the way of the big fights everyone wants to see ! Then again there’s no way AJ would’ve fought Usyk without him being mandatory so they can throw up some interesting fights/results as well
Whyte lost all entitlement to a mandatory when he got beat by Povetkin imo. I know he avenged the loss but he's nowhere near world title level.
I think that’s a bit harsh Frostie. That can happen in HW. He was winning comfortably before a great shot by Povetkin and the rematch was no problem.
Im not saying he’s up there with Fury, Wilder, Usyk and Joshua but he’s not had a title shot.
Just had a quick look and this is who Wilder fought as WBC Champion before being beaten by Fury - Molina, Duhaupas (never even heard of him !!!), Szpilka, Arreola, Washington, Stiverne, Ortiz x2 and Breazeale.
Whyte deserves a shot unless there’s a unification opportunity available.
I think that’s a bit harsh Frostie. That can happen in HW. He was winning comfortably before a great shot by Povetkin and the rematch was no problem.
Im not saying he’s up there with Fury, Wilder, Usyk and Joshua but he’s not had a title shot.
Just had a quick look and this is who Wilder fought as WBC Champion before being beaten by Fury - Molina, Duhaupas (never even heard of him !!!), Szpilka, Arreola, Washington, Stiverne, Ortiz x2 and Breazeale.
Whyte deserves a shot unless there’s a unification opportunity available.
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