Jesus. We play a narrow midfield four, he played every game within that midfield four. I put it to most of you who are using this as ammunition to slate Thorn that you might not know as much about Gardner's best position as you claim and are basing the opinion on a YouTube clip of a brace for the England U21s (cue righteous indignation)..! Moreover, I put it to you that he may be better suited to one of the two central midfield berths than McSheffrey or Baker, poor as they have been. We are down to the bare bones, he is a midfielder who played in midfield. If he was as good as his reputation (I'm not saying he will not be, I am saying we did not see true evidence of that), he would have been able to affect games from the position he played in (a mere ten or fifteen metres behind the position where he is suddenly a world beater). What about getting forward, taking the game by the scruff of the neck, showing for the ball? He might not have been played in his strongest position and we might be poor there, but we are not exactly laden with options anywhere in the midfield. No wonder there is such an anti Thorn feeling on here at times in threads, he is blamed for everything by some (i.e. 'Gary Gardner is every bit as good as the hype was, it was Andy Thorn who played him wildly out of position who is exclusively responsible for the fact he did not set the Ricoh alight... nothing to do with the fact that it was a short term loan from a player who was not quite up to speed because that was all that SISU were willing to finance and probably only did so after coming out in the media to promise the fans a couple of such signings').
And this is Thorn's fault > SISU's fault? I don't understand your point, I am saying he did not set the world alight and this is not exclusively down to the fact that Thorn did not play him in the hole every week.
DiveDive - I agree with you. From what hears about him from villa fans he's a box-to-box midfielder with an eye for a goal making late runs into the box from deep, not an out an out attacking midfield player like Mata, etc. He'd suit one of those 2 central midfield places rather than in the hole - and that's where he played 2 of his 4 games for us.
he scored one goal in his four games, that's one more than Bigi, Clingan and Thomas have had all season so he DID improve us. And as for the ridiculous statement that it makes no difference playing 15 metres behind where you normally play, if you've ever played the game you'd know that it does make a lot of difference
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