Ah so he went to a private school then.
Thank you.
Austerity. A good one.Austerity. You try telling someone who has to choose between feeding their kids and keeping them warm that it’s something else.
So are you telling me you would vote for a party that wants to take us out of the EU? Do you think Shmmeee would vote for a party that would take us out of the EU? Do you think anyone on this thread that has been telling us for a few years why Brexit is so bad would vote for a party that would take us out of the EU?
Do you think anyone who has been saying how good it will be to leave the EU for the last few years would vote for a party that would have us remain in the EU?
I am not saying that it is what we should vote about. But you are blind to the truth if you think it won't happen.
And what would that change exactly? Would his contribution all of a sudden be worth more because he has a piece of paper? He has a British driving license, is that enough? If he got British citizenship he wouldn’t need to apply for his British passport and could continue to renew his EU passport. He speaks English fluently, he doesn’t even have an accent. If you met him in the street and talked to him you wouldn’t believe for one minute that he came to the U.K. at the age of 19 and the only English he knew was to introduce himself and order a pint of beer. What value is this piece of paper going to add to him for you to justify allowing him “free“ access to the NHS. Free being a meaningless word as he has 40 years of contributing income tax, corporation tax, VAT, National Insurance and goodness knows what else stealth tax.He could take up UK citizenship.
Predictable?Yes. For four years he went to a private school. When he was 7 I’m sure he was making the decisions.
When people talk about “what school did you go to” they don’t mean primary school generally.
Let me guess, Labour members who back the policy and didn’t go to private school are just jealous? Isn’t that the line? Either you’re jealous and spiteful and would never achieve anything so need the state, or you’re a champagne socialist?
Predictable.
So are you telling me you would vote for a party that wants to take us out of the EU? Do you think Shmmeee would vote for a party that would take us out of the EU? Do you think anyone on this thread that has been telling us for a few years why Brexit is so bad would vote for a party that would take us out of the EU?
Do you think anyone who has been saying how good it will be to leave the EU for the last few years would vote for a party that would have us remain in the EU?
I am not saying that it is what we should vote about. But you are blind to the truth if you think it won't happen.
I agree with you. But us agreeing won't change what will happen.I am criticising that a proxy referendum has been called when we could've had a real one in less time, then moved on to the next stage of Brexit or just cancelled it.
Predictable?
Well yes I suppose. I point out inaccuracies and you don't like me pointing out that you are wrong. So you try blaming me for something or changing the subject.
So why would I be jealous of Corbyn?
When I was younger only the select few went to Uni. Now you can go to Uni and waste a few years and lots of money on something that won't help much. Not jealous of that either.
I am very happy with life. Never jealous of anything. I set my goal. And unless there is a disaster I will make my goal. There will be many jealous of me. But jealousy is just stupidity.
Could yes. But McDonnell seems to call the shots. And he is remain 100%Wait. You know I vote Labour and they literally have a policy that could lead to us leaving, right?
No healthcare for 18 year olds?
I read you saying Corbyn didn't go to a private school. Was I also wrong there?No one said you were jealous. Please learn to read for both our sakes.
I read you saying Corbyn didn't go to a private school. Was I also wrong there?
Saw an ITV journalist yesterday saying they basically have to doorstep Johnson now as they can't get any time to question him on anything.Johnson cancels visit to bakery-deflects questions with another joke
a) you get NI cards at 16;
b) I hadn’t thought that far ahead, go away.
TBF the last person you’d want in a bakery is Johnson. Everything would come out half baked.Saw an ITV journalist yesterday saying they basically have to doorstep Johnson now as they can't get any time to question him on anything.
This sounds like someone giving reasons why we shouldn't have open borders :woot:I agree with the premise of contribution based benefits though. And of limiting access to the NHS to permanent residents somehow. I do think about people who can’t easily get payments like Bangladeshi women and those that can’t easily claim citizenship because they have to give up their other one for example.
Could be wrong but I don’t think health tourism costs us that much but it’s the principle. Same as housing going to citizens first. It causes resentment otherwise. And if we won’t fund it properly with the revenue immigrants bring in we should put our own first.
And you’ll be the mug paying for it out of your taxes.
This sounds like someone giving reasons why we shouldn't have open borders :woot:
This sounds like someone giving reasons why we shouldn't have open borders :woot:
Austerity. A good one.
What would happen to millions if Brexit went as bad as one would have you believe? Yes. Austerity for millions more.
If people are working and paying taxes then they should be entitled to free healthcare as everyone else.We shouldn’t have open borders.
You can’t offer significantly better benefits for citizenship without a sensible immigration policy.
(Am currently having IRL discussion with immigrant girlfriend. She makes some good points around why she (a low paid NHS worker) shouldn’t be kicked out/refused entry that are hard to refute without essentially resorting to “but you’re nice and integrate well”, it’s not a simple policy area at all. But the fundamental truth is you can’t literally let everyone in. And from there you’re just haggling on detail)
Except those foreigners working in our healthcare system. That’ll learned them for coming over here taking our healthcare professional jobs.If people are working and paying taxes then they should be entitled to free healthcare as everyone else.
Immigration is something everyone can always disagree on. To me not a problem if you keep to the laws of where you go and can pay your own way. This can be through having enough money or working. This would mean enough money to see you through until you have a job or have a job to go to with the money to see you through until you get paid.We shouldn’t have open borders.
You can’t offer significantly better benefits for citizenship without a sensible immigration policy.
(Am currently having IRL discussion with immigrant girlfriend. She makes some good points around why she (a low paid NHS worker) shouldn’t be kicked out/refused entry that are hard to refute without essentially resorting to “but you’re nice and integrate well”, it’s not a simple policy area at all. But the fundamental truth is you can’t literally let everyone in. And from there you’re just haggling on detail)
It is always a political choice for the Tories.Remembering that austerity was a clear political choice.
So a group of policy makers made the ‘tough decision’ to inflict that misery on people.
Real fucking tough for them wasn’t it.
No healthcare for 18 year olds?
It is always a political choice for the Tories.
Not really.
Labour increase spending. Borrowing and tax goes up. Tories cut spending and cut tax. Going into an election saying that you are going to raise tax is never a good idea.
Except those foreigners working in our healthcare system. That’ll learned them for coming over here taking our healthcare professional jobs.
If people are working and paying taxes then they should be entitled to free healthcare as everyone else.
TBF the last person you’d want in a bakery is Johnson. Everything would come out half baked.
Yeah, this is the conversation I’m having. It’s the edge cases, as I say what about women who don’t work for cultural/childcare reasons? Someone who is on holiday? Anyone who buys things here pays taxes.
As I say I don’t think benefit tourism is much of a thing, and really they should just fund services appropriately cos immigrants pay in more than they take out. But I find the immigration discussion an interesting one because it’s hard to find a line that doesn’t rely on some arbitrary decision like how much (or weather) you’re earning.
Yeah, this is the conversation I’m having. It’s the edge cases, as I say what about women who don’t work for cultural/childcare reasons? Someone who is on holiday? Anyone who buys things here pays taxes.
As I say I don’t think benefit tourism is much of a thing, and really they should just fund services appropriately cos immigrants pay in more than they take out. But I find the immigration discussion an interesting one because it’s hard to find a line that doesn’t rely on some arbitrary decision like how much (or weather) you’re earning.
Never had you down as an idiot. I am not a uk citizen and have paidHe could take up UK citizenship.
Never had you down as an idiot. I am not a uk citizen and have paid
my way since I started work 35 years ago. My parents came to the uk and did the same all their lives. My mother worked for the NHS for 30 years.
I would be, at best, not be able to work now due to a genetic I’ll illness if it wasn’t for “free” access to the NHS.
Pillock
Talking about full-time residents and people being here on holiday are entirely different - other countries have public healthcare systems and manage as they have health cards to show someone is a full-time resident and entitled to healthcare.
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