OMG - I agree!
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Allegedly she does but her parents wouldn’t have.Would love to see her asked if she would qualify
Allegedly she does but her parents wouldn’t have.
Why? I know an EU citizen who has lived here almost all their life, has paid tax and national insurance for over 40 years, runs his own business, has employed countless British people enabling them to pay tax and national insurance. What good reason can you give to deny him access to the NHS?
You’re very moronically confusing two issues. Health tourism is very different to someone who has settled here and contributed to society. You wouldn’t offer them a tax refund because they’re not a british citizen so why should you deny them the rights of a tax payer because they’re not a British citizen?Perhaps he/she has every right to apply for British Citizenship & get such free point of care access? If they choose not to then that is the choice to not become a British Citizen...& therefore they should pay for the care.
I agree such cases complicate such basic principle...but the alternative is to open the door to anyone & everyone who can afford the means to get to NHS premises from anywhere- we cannot sustain that
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Make me king and you won't have to pay for your broadband....First really interesting thing to come out of the election so far.
Ahh okay, I was confused about where the open borders thing had come from. The difference is that a homeless person is going to require free housing whereas a person coming here to live and work isn't going to be offered free accommodation, so for me they are not comparable, no offence
If a person is eligible to live here legally as a resident and has proven they are not a burden on the country and able to support themselves and have housing, then what is the problem with them having access to healthcare? There have always been options for the UK to enforce this but it has consistently not bothered to do it.
I was ridiculed on here for mentioning the the local police come round to your house in Italy to check you live there and review your contract, documents and even pay slips if they wish. Then guess what? A poster who lives in Spain mentioned the same thing going on there.
Because unresolved Brexit is by far the biggest cause of uncertainty in the economy which is distracting much attention & investment from the said other issues. Once Brexit is resolved the other issues become more in focus
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Make me king and you won't have to pay for your broadband....
This is why I say McDonnell pulls the strings.
Free broadband? Put the money where it is needed. We don't need bribes.
Honest question...what do you think of what Cameron's adviser said?
But the internet is open to other companies.OpenReach is a natural monopoly and of national importance so is a good candidate for nationalisation.
I’d rather free broadband than free libraries in the 21st century to be honest. Ensuring online access for all also means you can make cost savings in service delivery elsewhere.
It was embarrassingly unwatchable. I turned it off after a whileFrom Johnson's performance on BBC Breakfast against that heavyweight political interviewer Naga Munchetty its obvious why they're doing their best to keep him away from any interviews.
Glad to see this political heavyweight climbing back into the ring for another showdown.
But the internet is open to other companies.
Worth spending about 40 billion on it?Were talking about the network. Not the Internet. The literal fibres and exchanges. OpenReach got that from taxpayer investment and despite Virgin and others having a free run they are still less than 10% of the network. It’s not economical to run a backbone as a new entrant, so it’s effectively a monopoly protected by the state at the moment.
As McDonnell said this morning those ISPs that do have their own kit would carry on in the same kind of arrangement they have now with OpenReach.
Worth spending about 40 billion on it?
Were libraries paid for gradually or were they a sudden spend like McDonnell says?I don’t agree with all of the policy, but yes probably, it’s a key utility. I’d have a low speed free option rather than high speed.
Where my economics differ from Corbyn and McDonnell is that I’d provide the platform and let the market compete on top of it. I wouldn’t compete with the market. Same with trains. Own the rails not (all) the rolling stock. But offer a base level government service where the market fails.
What did libraries cost to set up? I’d see it as the 21st century equivalent.
Yep I think that’s rightI don’t agree with all of the policy, but yes probably, it’s a key utility. I’d have a low speed free option rather than high speed.
Where my economics differ from Corbyn and McDonnell is that I’d provide the platform and let the market compete on top of it. I wouldn’t compete with the market. Same with trains. Own the rails not (all) the rolling stock. But offer a base level government service where the market fails.
What did libraries cost to set up? I’d see it as the 21st century equivalent.
Were libraries paid for gradually or were they a sudden spend like McDonnell says?
To me there are many important things to spend the money on. And giving everyone free broadband doesn't come anywhere near the top of the list. Most people can afford it. Maybe free to certain sections of the public. Like pensioners or those with children to aid there learning. But to everyone including the rich?
Bollocks. My privilege? What di you mean by that?The telecoms network was paid for gradually. Then we gave it away under Thatcher.
Your privilege is showing saying most people can afford broadband. I have several friends that rely on coming over to mine to fill in online forms or search for housing. There’s also dead zone where the market has failed to provide any access at all.
Having a base level of always on WiFi is also a good platform for all kinds of innovation and productivity enhancements IMO.
Bollocks. My privilege? What di you mean by that?
So can't most of your friends afford the internet? I said most people can afford it. I didn't say all. I also said it would be good for certain people to get it free. WHY is it you always ignore most of a post and pick up on one point then make out that it was everything the post was about?
So come on then. Why am I privileged?
So why should the rich get it for free?
And it was paid for gradually? You know that wasn't what I was saying. It would cost about 40 billion to make it happen. Suppose that is cheap now.
Yeah it was a shitty example to show the extremes.
This is what I mean, that sounds like a ridiculous system to me. Overly oppressive, but any attempt to limit it ends up with some horror story like that. I’m very torn on immigration overall. We definitely need it and benefit from it. But there’s definite social problems that come from too much too quick that I don’t think are entirely down to “the Sun made them hate foreigners”
It’s saying the quiet part loud....
You realise that video is satire, right?
I mean there’s evidence they do think this, Dominic Cummings said it for a start. But that video is a clip from a spoof.
Did I say he should?What I mean is you think Internet isn’t important. It’s nice you have the privilege of not having to access services through it.
Most people will want better than the base service. They can pay for that. Why should my friend have to jump through hoops to prove need to access government services he’s entitled to?
In reality the system is not really oppresive and actually works well in enusring that access to public services is not abused. If governments actually care about their citiens and country and choose to invest money generated from the increased population, then it can work well, but sadly that hasn't been the case for a long-time and only their rich buddies are taken care of.
Did I say he should?
Would love to know how you got to that from what I said. I suppose you will be saying that I want the rich only to have it for free next.
Watching him on bbc news channel now, impressive stuffFirst really interesting thing to come out of the election so far.
They're politicians, so probably not.I work in the Telecoms industry and our 2 biggest customers are Openreach and BT. We install and commission fibre optic cables and the associated hardware on the streets and in the Telephone Exchanges. To roll out BB to every household in the UK would take years, if not decades. The cost for the hardware alone would run into the hundreds of millions. At the moment there isn't the capacity in the network to support it and despite what people think, the infrastructure from the exchanges to the end user just isn't there.
It's pie in the sky. I wonder if those who had this idea have actually spoken to people in the industry.
The Conservatives 2017 manifesto promised 'by 2020 every home and every business in Britain has access to high speed broadband'.To roll out BB to every household in the UK would take years, if not decades.
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