General Election 2019 thread (38 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 25, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
How can you not agree that the audience was bias towards Corbyn

Because you're biased towards Alexander. Take that away and you'd see. The LD are an option for my vote at the moment but Swinson is really hard to like for some reason.

I'm not a fan of Corbyn, but his approach towards these debates is far less confrontational. Hence he doesn't quite get people's backs up in the same way. When the audience felt he wasn't answering a question they had a go at him. Difference was he then didn't just dismiss them like Alexander did so it didn't end up with the same level of confrontation.

skybluetony176 · Nov 25, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Thats just bollocks dreamer and you know it, he was heckled and interrupted throughout unfairly

Boris Johnson has worked very hard to earn the heckles he gets.

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
The gap between Labour pledges and what they intend to raise to meet it is far narrower than the Tories. And the Tories missed loads of existing commitments out of their manifesto. What ever magic money tree forest you think labour needs the Tories needs to many acres bigger. They’re either not ending austerity or their manifesto isn’t worth wiping your arse on.

their pledge to have 80% of UK trade covered by FTAs within 3 years of Brexit is downright irresponsible. No way that will happen.

skybluetony176 · Nov 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
there pledge to have 80% of UK trade covered by FTAs within 3 years of Brexit is downright irresponsible. No way that will happen.

What they will get done of that 80% will be rolling forward EU free trade deals that we already enjoy as EU members. Although that simple process alone has taken more than 3 years and counting.

Otis · Nov 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
I'll ask again, why do you prefer the current model to nationalisation?
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Because nationalisation is shitty commie bollocks innit.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 25, 2019

Otis said:
Because nationalisation is shitty commie bollocks innit.

Some try to turn this election to nationalisation v nationalism

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 25, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Because you're biased towards Alexander. Take that away and you'd see. The LD are an option for my vote at the moment but Swinson is really hard to like for some reason.

I'm not a fan of Corbyn, but his approach towards these debates is far less confrontational. Hence he doesn't quite get people's backs up in the same way. When the audience felt he wasn't answering a question they had a go at him. Difference was he then didn't just dismiss them like Alexander did so it didn't end up with the same level of confrontation.

How did Boris dismiss them? Jumping on the bandwagon i see dreamy

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 25, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
How did Boris dismiss them? Jumping on the bandwagon i see dreamy

What bandwagon? He dismissed them by just ignoring what they were saying to get back to "Get Brexit Done" and continually rambling on as they tried to make their point to him.

When he gets to do his bumbling Boris character he appeals to a certain type of person but when he has to actually deal with an average person he's bloody terrible.

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 25, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
What bandwagon? He dismissed them by just ignoring what they were saying to get back to "Get Brexit Done" and continually rambling on as they tried to make their point to him.

When he gets to do his bumbling Boris character he appeals to a certain type of person but when he has to actually deal with an average person he's bloody terrible.

He was unfairly interrupted many times, even when he was answering the point they jeered him... embarrassing

fernandopartridge · Nov 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
their pledge to have 80% of UK trade covered by FTAs within 3 years of Brexit is downright irresponsible. No way that will happen.

What does that even mean? 80% of value? 80% of sectors? It's pretty important if you're an SME exporting overseas isn't it

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
What does that even mean? 80% of value? 80% of sectors? It's pretty important if you're an SME exporting overseas isn't it

Indeed. The scope of it is staggering.

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

shmmeee said:
Still doing schroedingers Labour I see.

Simultaneously crazy lefties and neoliberal Blairites depending on the argument.

Ignoring what I say about the Tories and Boris again?

I don't trust any of them. As you get older you will work out that they are as bad as each other.

What is needed is a party that is somewhere in the middle of Labour and the Tories. Someone who doesn't overspend but also doesn't make the poor even poorer. I would vote for that.

The problem is working out if they are not lying as usual.

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
He was terrible, and only saved from total humilation because of Swinson. He got interrupted because he wasn't answering question and answering in a confrontational, antagonistic manner. It got that hostile because of his approach that led to the crowd getting more and more exasperated.

That is what makes me laugh. It is OK for one to not answer questions but not the other one.

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

Otis said:
Because nationalisation is shitty commie bollocks innit.

Yeah. Like I said the other day, those 3 hot beds of communism, London, New York and Hong Kong run on (pretty much) nationalised transport systems

skybluetony176 · Nov 25, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
What does that even mean? 80% of value? 80% of sectors? It's pretty important if you're an SME exporting overseas isn't it

80% of HS Codes?

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
Indeed. The scope of it is staggering.

Breaking news. The Tories have come out with bullshit :smuggrin:

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

Astute said:
Breaking news. The Tories have come out with bullshit :smuggrin:

Or alternatively, Johnson actually believes it's doable- which is probably more worrying.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 25, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Thats just bollocks dreamer and you know it, he was heckled and interrupted throughout unfairly

He didn’t walk on to a crowd of boos and the questions were just criticisms of Tory policy.

Monners · Nov 25, 2019

Debate on Look East in Northampton North. Whoever wins this seat, forms the next government apparently.

Now, do I tactically vote to try and rid us of the useless Michael Ellis, or go with my preference- who can’t win?

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
Yeah. Like I said the other day, those 3 hot beds of communism, London, New York and Hong Kong run on (pretty much) nationalised transport systems

But how about affordability?

So free internet would cost nearly 40 billion plus hundreds of millions a year to run. 58 billion to the women pensioners hit by the age change. How many billions for the new homes that can't be built in the timescale? How much for gas, electric, water, transport, hospitals, doctors, nurses or even where they should start and that is giving the poor a better living.

And there's more.

shmmeee · Nov 25, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
How can you not agree that the audience was bias towards Corbyn

Because it was selected to be representative of the 2017 GE result.

Just accept King Boris is a bit shit and that’s why he’s hiding from debating Corbyn.

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
Or alternatively, Johnson actually believes it's doable- which is probably more worrying.

I don't know anyone who believes a word he says. So maybe if he believes it he could be the only one who does.

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

Astute said:
But how about affordability?

So free internet would cost nearly 40 billion plus hundreds of millions a year to run. 58 billion to the women pensioners hit by the age change. How many billions for the new homes that can't be built in the timescale? How much for gas, electric, water, transport, hospitals, doctors, nurses or even where they should start and that is giving the poor a better living.

And there's more.

Not sure what relevance that has to.my post

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

Astute said:
I don't know anyone who believes a word he says. So maybe if he believes it he could be the only one who does.

There are people on this thread who believe him.

shmmeee · Nov 25, 2019

Astute said:
But how about affordability?

So free internet would cost nearly 40 billion plus hundreds of millions a year to run. 58 billion to the women pensioners hit by the age change. How many billions for the new homes that can't be built in the timescale? How much for gas, electric, water, transport, hospitals, doctors, nurses or even where they should start and that is giving the poor a better living.

And there's more.

Why do you keep doubling the cost of nationalising OpenReach? It’s costed at £20bn I believe.

Government is simple. We all chip in for stuff we all need and get it cheaper that way. We all need broadband and there’s no real differentiation in product so we should all chip in for it and get it cheaper. I pay £54/month for broadband. As long as my tax doesn’t increase by more than that I’m quids in (along with aforementioned national security and other government cost savings mentioned in previous posts).

Building homes is one of the safest investments you can make and everyone needs homes. Again a no brainier in terms of government spending.

The WASPI women suffered from bad government policy. It’s a justice issue really. Same as if the government had to pay compo in any other situation.

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
Not sure what relevance that has to.my post

So Labour don't want to privatise transport?

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
There are people on this thread who believe him.

But do they? Saying and believing are two different things. And it is the same on both sides of the fence

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

shmmeee said:
Why do you keep doubling the cost of nationalising OpenReach? It’s costed at £20bn I believe.

Government is simple. We all chip in for stuff we all need and get it cheaper that way. We all need broadband and there’s no real differentiation in product so we should all chip in for it and get it cheaper. I pay £54/month for broadband. As long as my tax doesn’t increase by more than that I’m quids in (along with aforementioned national security and other government cost savings mentioned in previous posts).

Building homes is one of the safest investments you can make and everyone needs homes. Again a no brainier in terms of government spending.

The WASPI women suffered from bad government policy. It’s a justice issue really. Same as if the government had to pay compo in any other situation.

Labour costed it at 20 billion. The experts in the field costed it at near 40 billion. Do you need a link to it yet again?

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

Astute said:
So Labour don't want to privatise transport?

I've laid out the reasons why I think they should several times.
We have currently nationalised the losses and privatised the profits.
There have already been failing franchises coming back in to public ownership. We should eventually do it with them all.

Monners · Nov 25, 2019

Astute said:
So Labour don't want to privatise transport?

Eh? Explain (not that I am keen to enter the odd world that you seem to now inhabit)

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

Astute said:
But do they? Saying and believing are two different things. And it is the same on both sides of the fence

There are clearly those that do.

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 25, 2019

shmmeee said:
Because it was selected to be representative of the 2017 GE result.

Just accept King Boris is a bit shit and that’s why he’s hiding from debating Corbyn.

And Corbyn isn't shit??? deluded shmmeee

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 25, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
And Corbyn isn't shit??? deluded shmmeee

When it comes to debating, Corbyn's actually better. That's a pretty savage indictment of Johnson's abilities really.

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 25, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
When it comes to debating, Corbyn's actually better. That's a pretty savage indictment of Johnson's abilities really.

Oh yeah, because Corbyn is soooooo much better debating brexit than Boris(for example)..... he can't even decide which side he's on

clint van damme · Nov 25, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Oh yeah, because Corbyn is soooooo much better debating brexit than Boris(for example)..... he can't even decide which side he's on

Corbyns position is clear.
Its not necessary one I agree with but it's not difficult to understand. It's in the manifesto.

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