General Election (28 Viewers)

rob9872 said:

The point with Benn is that he's electable. You need tiise wavering Tory voters if Labour are ever to come back.

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He's not

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Grendel said:

"Fit to lead us out the EU without a plan" - what's Mr Corbyns plan BSB?

Mr Corbyn is of course the most anti EU leader of a party since Michael Foot. You are aware of that I assume? If not use your little Google search and discover the association with a certain Anthony Wedgewood Benn.

Mr Corbyn of course would have a different policy regarding the Middle East given his "friends" and their values in that part of the world.

I'm the end though this is pointless. The British public have demonstrated over countless decades that they are fit and proper to hear the debates and decide in terms of prosperity, wealth, equality and good old fair minded values which party is best to represent the country.

Democracy will speak in June and I am sure all of us acknowledge the power of they and the public will decide the best person to lead the country in a fair and even contest.

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Come on G. Our government are friends with the wahhabist Saudis, who, if they weren't so rich, we'd lump in with the rest of the terrorists with medieval beliefs. That is vile.

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Those of you who said further up that you'd support Lewis for Labour leader, he was one of the spineless 13 who voted no to an election. Guess he has no aspiration to be in powet and values his seat over his ability to be re-elected or his own party chances. Not the sort of thing that will be forgotten if he ever makes a bid for the top job.

rob9872 said:

Those of you who said further up that you'd support Lewis for Labour leader, he was one of the spineless 13 who voted no to an election. Guess he has no aspiration to be in powet and values his seat over his ability to be re-elected or his own party chances. Not the sort of thing that will be forgotten if he ever makes a bid for the top job.

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If you read a little further he said that he did it along with a couple of others to ensure that it wasn't walked through and the result was noted in records. This is because there were over 100 abstentions, including the whole of the SNP.

So if you vote against the majority view you are spineless. I would have thought is takes some degree of courage.

Monners said:

So if you vote against the majority view you are spineless. I would have thought is takes some degree of courage.

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Voting based on your principles makes you a leftie terrorist socialist monster. Let the kids starve - way more important to make sure multinational companies don't have to pay tax...

Ian1779 said:

Voting based on your principles makes you a leftie terrorist socialist monster. Let the kids starve - way more important to make sure multinational companies don't have to pay tax...

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The Leftie Terrorist Monster Party.

You can count me in.

If the left do well in this election, a finger will need to be pointed to the right in Labour whom have constantly opposed many of the things the leadership has done so far. I can even see gaining seats or a hung parliament to be a call for the Labour grassroots in Coventry to reconsider the position of many on the Labour council, and the leadership within the local party.

Ok, so, any stinky farts been picked up on yet? Apparently Sturgeon let off a ripper the other day at Parliament, but unfortunately the smell did not match the noise.

Monners said:

So if you vote against the majority view you are spineless. I would have thought is takes some degree of courage.

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Courage?? He's not going to war it was a yes/no answer.

If Labour are to ever recover and gain power which I assume you want, then their best chance is to remove Corbyn. They've already tried within and it failed, a GE wipe out would see him gone and the rebuilding can start. Why would he would want that process of rebuilding delayed for three years? He can hide behind ensuring it wasn't walked through, but it was a free vote without the party whips and he chose no to standing up against the government you dislike so much.

rob9872 said:

Courage?? He's not going to war it was a yes/no answer.

If Labour are to ever recover and gain power which I assume you want, then their best chance is to remove Corbyn. They've already tried within and it failed, a GE wipe out would see him gone and the rebuilding can start. Why would he would want that process of rebuilding delayed for three years? He can hide behind ensuring it wasn't walked through, but it was a free vote without the party whips and he chose no to standing up against the government you dislike so much.

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I don't think any of them are fit to govern. I particularly thought that May's performance yesterday was embarrassing. The only person who came out of the debate with any credibility was Yvette Cooper.

As for courage - one doesn't have to go to war to display it.

I didn't suggest he needed to go to war to display courage, merely an analogy to disparage the suggestion that it took courage to say "no I don't want an election".

RB1992 said:

Ok, so, any stinky farts been picked up on yet? Apparently Sturgeon let off a ripper the other day at Parliament, but unfortunately the smell did not match the noise.

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The fishy one should expect to lose a few seats, her party peaked in 2015 and is now on the way back down.

Liquid Gold said:

Shouldn't really matter to her. They only need their majority in holyrood to push through their second referendum

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Most Scots don't want one and she would lose heavily if one were to be held. They have taken their eyes off governing the country and now even Yes supporters don't want another. Shame I can't be there to vote against them as I was in past elections but hope she is given the finger in the council and general elections.

Meanwhile, Theresa May kicked off the Conservative campaign with a visit to Bolton yesterday.

She arrived by helicopter to a private golf club and refused to take any questions from the locals apparently.

Damian Gannon, a Labour councillor in Coventry receives some advice from the electorate.

Yep, that would really help having a leadership contest with 2 months to go before a general election.

Well today is being very eventful.

Philosorapter said:

Well today is being very eventful.

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Maybe the appalling Kuenssberg could stand down as well.

Philosorapter said:

Damian Gannon, a Labour councillor in Coventry receives some advice from the electorate.


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Spot on. Clowns like Gannon are why people have moved away from Labour.

fernandopartridge said:

Spot on. Clowns like Gannon are why people have moved away from Labour.

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Clowns like Gannon are only Labour MP's because their parents would disown them if they openly came out as Tories.

Monners said:

I don't think any of them are fit to govern. I particularly thought that May's performance yesterday was embarrassing. The only person who came out of the debate with any credibility was Yvette Cooper.

As for courage - one doesn't have to go to war to display it.

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Greg Dyke just said on sky news that he talks to Tories and the one they fear the most is Yvette Cooper.
I voted for her last time and will again. Labour is too full of macho Neanderthals to see the good woman they already have. Sadly the left is in for a blood bath. The likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and McCluskey will fight to the death to retain the grip on the Labour Party they currently hold.

Ian1779 said:

Suppose you'll convieniently ignore that the national debt has rocketed since 2010. Add to that the Tories turning an NHS surplus into eye-watering debt over 6 years and you have the Tory master plan...

Keep the rich rich - fuck the poor. Then blame the immigrants.

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OK, I have a little time now. Little you write, strictly speaking, is untrue – but it’s the words you use and the implications that are disingenuous and brimful of spin.

“The National Debt has rocketed since 2010”. It’s true that the national debt has been increasing – but your implication is that it’s ‘rocketing’ and this is due to Conservative rule. It certainly rocketed under Brown’s last years (a sharp and large increase). Since then the rate of increase (the deficit) has been falling as the Tories took it to hand. In your language, it also rocketed for every year after the first Blair term, as Brown ran a deficit every year during years of growth. He also loaded up the debt for future years through PFI – meaning that by some estimates Brown left a poisoned pill of £300 billion for future generations – something that is impacting the Tories’ ability to get the National Debt back under control and also relates to your second point. So in conclusion, whilst it’s true that the debt continues to increase, your inference that it is still rocketing (it isn’t, the rocket/rate of increase is falling to ground) and that this is somehow the Tories’ fault is completely and I suspect deliberately wrong.

“Tories turning an NHS surplus into eye-watering debt”. It’s interesting that in the same paragraph you complain that the Tories are both spending too much and also spending too little. As mentioned, Brown splurged big time on the NHS – spending far more than the country could afford and poisoning finances for the future with his PFI. Given the inheritance in 2010 the Tories had to do something and Labour at the time even crowed about their sneaky trick (the note left in parliamentary offices for the incoming minister) and admitted that if elected they would also have to implement austerity. Even so, during the period NHS funding has been protected to some degree. It was £110 billion in 2010 and £120 billion now – that’s an increase of 9% and CPI has increased by 11%. It’s amazing that they have been able to do that given the finances and there is a pledge to lift at a rate greater than projected CPI over the next 4 years. And the funding is still over CPI compared to the time that Brown started spending. NHS funding is now 17% of tax income... just how much further does it have to rise before the country decides that it’s not sustainable and we need to be inventive? Management overheads have improved recently and are now just 3.4% of NHS budget – that needs to be taken into consideration too.

Several Tories have stated that they would welcome a cross-party working group to determine what we need to do in the long term and I think that’s the grown-up thing to do.

“Keep the rich rich - fuck the poor. Then blame the immigrants.”

This is complete and utter arse. Most new government legislation has been doing the opposite: increasing stamp duty for more expensive houses and reducing for cheaper; increasing basic tax allowances and not increasing higher rates at the same rate; the dividend tax; addressing tax avoidance and evasion (something that Labour never did) and also the Buy To Let taxes. And just who has ‘blamed the immigrants’?

Dawn Butler gives an insightful and well-reasoned argument for voting Labour:

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I'd happily see Corbyn voted in. Bearing in mind that everything that has ever gone wrong in the past I the fault of the tories I will be happy to see the turn around

Macca said:

I'd happily see Corbyn voted in. Bearing in mind that everything that has ever gone wrong in the past I the fault of the tories I will be happy to see the turn around

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With his past pledges on welfare, it'd be ace. I'd go on the dole for 5 years.

Easy guide to voting in the election.

mrtrench said:

Dawn Butler gives an insightful and well-reasoned argument for voting Labour:

Dawn Butler MP interviewed on Radio 4's PM - BBC News

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Oh dear, totally cringeworthy. I am sure there is a relationship between the less a politican speaks and the more someone will vote for them.

Philosorapter said:

Oh dear, totally cringeworthy. I am sure there is a relationship between the less a politican speaks and the more someone will vote for them.

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That's what Labour are about, she's only been selected because she's a black woman.

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Just had a look at Dawn Butler's twitter account, she's on about getting British Sign Language on to the national curriculum. This is what I mean about the Labour obsession with minority groups.
How would BSL benefit the majority or learning it be a good use of teaching/learning time?

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mrtrench said:

Dawn Butler gives an insightful and well-reasoned argument for voting Labour:

Dawn Butler MP interviewed on Radio 4's PM - BBC News

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Good lord, just a muddled attempt to make accusations about democratic unfairness which she couldn't explain followed by an attack on a company for 'not paying taxes' which it turned out she wasn't too sure about and withdrew. What is staggering is the 19,000 majority she has considering she is so inarticulate, but then she represents the peoples republic of Brent Central.