clint van damme
Well-Known Member
I think it's hilarious. We're going to hell in a handcart, may as well laugh about it.
As I said earlier, they aren't in government and it's far from ideal (and something I'm not happy with) but there isn't an alternative in terms of trying to provide some sort of short term stability. Do the maths
It won't last though.
As I said earlier, they aren't in government and it's far from ideal (and something I'm not happy with) but there isn't an alternative in terms of trying to provide some sort of short term stability. Do the maths
It won't last though.
I think it's hilarious. We're going to hell in a handcart, may as well laugh about it.
These 'bribe' policies aimed at the young vote is absolute nonsense. Policies aimed at pensioners aren't called bribes so why are the policies aimed at the youth?
Fucking ridiculous.
Think you will find that Ruth Davidson came out well before the election.I know ! She's the only Tory of standing that's come out of the election well.
People need to remember this isn't a formal coilition with the DUP, it's pretty much an informal arrangement to pass through big policy issues and the budget. I don't like it but there isn't an alternative as there's not enough support for the other parties to form any kind of messy multi party coilition. I personally think will only last a few months....back to the polls
Why is Labour policy that assist the young / students a bribe but not Conservative policies that benefit the richest in the country?Together with the young/student vote (bribe)
You have to wonder just what concessions they are going to have to give the unionists.Just seen that they are actually going to be entering into a formal coalition with the DUP. What a dark, dark day for the United Kingdom.
Power??????!How can a party which is opposed to austerity measures in Northern Ireland vote to support austerity measures in England and Wales and still claim to be part of the same country?
Why is Labour policy that assist the young / students a bribe but not Conservative policies that benefit the richest in the country?
Edit: Hill beat me to it.
Shameful the Tories would risk peace in NI in order to cling onto power.
Shameful the Tories would risk peace in NI in order to cling onto power.
You won't be saying that when Arlene Foster starts eating all our babies.You are being over dramatic.
You are being over dramatic.
One thing the Tories can't be accused of in this election is bribery...they pissed off everyone !
What was in their manefesto to help the richest financially ? (Two of the most controversial policies would have hit older/richer people most...the social care policy and means testing winter fuel allowance). The significant cost of the tuition fee policy which is focussed at a very targeted group of potential voters, at a time when there is very cash little spare, is why people have classed it as a bribe.
Do you think the removal (and refund of some) tuition fees is the best use of public money in a time when we're paying not far off a billion a month just to service the national debt ? Where people are living on the streets and others are struggling to get by ? Especially when a lot of students don't have to pay them back any way ? There's one thing trying to look after pensioners, many of whom rely on very little to survive, there's another thing using a significant amount of public cash to provide free uni courses for all.
Reduce tuition fees yes, stopping them all together, not when we can't afford it. I would've preferred focussed tuition fees which would including reducing/subsidising the cost in areas we need students to study and/or just additional assistance from those from the poorest backgrounds (reintroducing the grants - which I believe was a smaller part of the policy focussed on a smaller section of students who need help most)
No other party was willing to form a coalition (with anyone from what I can gather). What's the alternative ?
Ps if the seriously jeopardise the peace in Ireland to stay in power they will quite rightly be unelectable for a generation
How can a party which is opposed to austerity measures in Northern Ireland vote to support austerity measures in England and Wales and still claim to be part of the same country?
One thing the Tories can't be accused of in this election is bribery...they pissed off everyone !
What was in their manefesto to help the richest financially ? (Two of the most controversial policies would have hit older/richer people most...the social care policy and means testing winter fuel allowance).
Not necessarily. A third of older people who qualify for means tested benefits don't claim some or all of them so would be hit worst by the introduction of a means test. The Tories have also said the new means test and dropping of the so-called 'Triple-Lock' would not apply to pensioners in Scotland which is a blatant electoral bribe.
How can the Tories be neutral if they are in a coalition with the DUP?
I agree with most of what you are saying about tuition fees. I'd go further and say that free tuition for all would devalue having a degree as 'everyone' would have one. But my point was it's totally wrong and insulting to call it a bribe but allow policies directed at other age group a free pass.
If the British public had voted for a conservative government they'd have a majority and wouldn't need to be speaking to people like the DUP.
Which party has the biggest mandate after this election?
Whether you like it or not the British public have voted for a conservative government and its manifesto above every other party.
They therefore have a right and obligation to actually deliver that.
The Tories only got 12 less seats than last time. Yet Corbyn is seen as a hero.Down to many people still not liking Corbyn I would venture. You see people on the telly and radio saying I've been labour all my life etc etc but I won't vote for that Corbyn. Weather thats down to his IRA links, his stance on nukes, his too lefty approach, the colour of his tie, I don't know. Crying shame but to be honest its more style than substance these days.
Corbyn did well considering he was "unelectable" - many people looked past the man and voted on the plan. Maybe next time round IF the party stop bickering and get on board they might do better.
Whether you like it or not the British public have voted for a conservative government and its manifesto above every other party.
They therefore have a right and obligation to actually deliver that.
Only Mrs May was less in touch with the electorate.You don't have the best track record at the moment.
Hypocrisy is mentioning one and backing the other.That's desperate, even for you. Your failure to condemn a coalition with the DUP signals massive hypocrisy. Fair enough if you are happy with a far right party propping up a weak and unstable government.
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