General Election (39 Viewers)

chiefdave · Apr 29, 2017

Evo1883 said:
Long way to go

Not long in the grand scheme of things. The process has now been derailed by a general election so nothing will happen till the second half of June by which time the German elections will be in full swing.

That will likely require a coalition to be formed so realistically we're looking at next January before anything meaningful happens. That gives 15 months to get everything sorted. In compression CETA, a deal between a country on good terms with the EU, took well over a decade.

Now the US is indicating a deal with the UK is a low priority as well.

Evo1883 · Apr 29, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Christ. Hope you're ready for the carving up of the NHS and of the current social model.

Let's not forget labours role in the dismantling of the NHS , their hypocrisy stinks in this regard

Evo1883 · Apr 29, 2017

chiefdave said:
Not long in the grand scheme of things. The process has now been derailed by a general election so nothing will happen till the second half of June by which time the German elections will be in full swing.

That will likely require a coalition to be formed so realistically we're looking at next January before anything meaningful happens. That gives 15 months to get everything sorted. In compression CETA, a deal between a country on good terms with the EU, took well over a decade.

Now the US is indicating a deal with the UK is a low priority as well.

Like I said and I take all your points onboard ...long way to go

Sick Boy · Apr 29, 2017

Evo1883 said:
Let's not forget labours role in the dismantling of the NHS , their hypocrisy stinks in this regard

As does going on about Corbyn attending an IRA memorial while turning a blind eye to fawning over the Saudis and members of the Tory party describing Mandela as a terrorist.

chiefdave · Apr 29, 2017

Johnnythespider said:
I'm amazed at the number of people who seem to vote as if it were a presidential election, rather than looking at the policies that would be implemented by each party and deciding which way to vote.

Its a big problem. There was a study done during the last general election that showed that for a large percentage of voters the party they were voting for wasn't the party closest aligned to their beliefs.

Having a press and media dominated by the right wing doesn't help. Noticed that the UK has fallen to 40th place in the press freedom rankings.

Evo1883 · Apr 29, 2017

Sick Boy said:
As does going on about Corbyn attending an IRA memorial while turning a blind eye to fawning over the Saudis and members of the Tory party describing Mandela as a terrorist.

to each their own , he's also got views I Don't agree with in regards to the Falklands , the monarchy and the reality is his politics will be rejected by the British public in June and nothing will please me more .
The mans basically a socialist

I'm an ex soldier , the IRA thing doesn't sit well with me whatsoever.

chiefdave · Apr 29, 2017

Evo1883 said:
Corbyn can get back to protesting with terrorists

Evo1883 · Apr 29, 2017

chiefdave said:
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Yes Dave difference is mate Corbyn sympathised with them and their cause.

I do not like the man

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 29, 2017

Evo1883 said:
Long way to go , I believe the country will be better off in the long run , always knew it would be a bumpy ride to begin with .
Either way it's what I voted for , and that's how I'm voting in June .
Corbyn can get back to protesting with terrorists and holding student rallies

If that's what you genuinely want then fair enough, I just hope you have no need for a hospital in the remainder of your life. Or that you're intending on sending anyone to school.

Liquid Gold · Apr 29, 2017

Unless you live in Islington North you wouldn't be voting for Corbyn. In fact you may be voting for a Labour politician opposed to Corbyn who will do more to oppose him than replacing with a conservative allowing Labour to put a Corbynist in his place for the next election.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 29, 2017

Evo1883 said:
Yes Dave difference is mate Corbyn sympathised with them and their cause.

I do not like the man

Let's suppose for a moment that Corbyn actually does support the IRA and wants them to kill people over here (which he doesn't). Why does Mrs May get a free pass for arming the Saudis while they behead their own citizens and commit war crimes in Yemen? Grendel fell strangely silent when pressed on this, let's see if one of her other fans can explain it.

Liquid Gold · Apr 29, 2017

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Let's suppose for a moment that Corbyn actually does support the IRA and wants them to kill people over here (which he doesn't). Why does Mrs May get a free pass for arming the Saudis while they behead their own citizens and commit war crimes in Yemen? Grendel fell strangely silent when pressed on this, let's see if one of her other fans can explain it.

The Saudis are the biggest exporter of Islamic extremism in the world and Wahhabism is the root of everything from Isis to al quaida. Anybody serious about security should completely oppose any government intending to favour them.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 29, 2017

chiefdave said:
Its a big problem. There was a study done during the last general election that showed that for a large percentage of voters the party they were voting for wasn't the party closest aligned to their beliefs.

Having a press and media dominated by the right wing doesn't help. Noticed that the UK has fallen to 40th place in the press freedom rankings.

Well as the polling shows people like Labour policies more than Conservative ones, just not when they're told that they're Labour policies. Which is why it beggars belief that Corbyn could decline a free opportunity on national TV to broadcast these policies.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 29, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
The Saudis are the biggest exporter of Islamic extremism in the world and Wahhabism is the root of everything from Isis to al quaida. Anybody serious about security should completely oppose any government intending to favour them.

I saw our media hailing Mrs May for standing up to them...by not wearing a head-dress in a meeting with them. Maybe stop with the arms, funding, and open support for their action in Yemen? She is the real terrorist sympathiser.

dutchman · Apr 29, 2017

M&B Stand said:
If you're on the dole/sick your benefits would go up.

The last Labour government slashed sickness benefits in 2008 and disqualified many people from claiming them altogether. There's no reason to believe a future Labour government would behave any different.

Philosoraptor · Apr 30, 2017

The Tories have got two people outside Coventry to represent themselves for Coventry at the election, and I just can't remember their names.

Sick Boy · Apr 30, 2017

Sounds like there will be tax rises all round for you all after the election of May.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 30, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Sounds like there will be tax rises all round for you all after the election of May.

Better than having the commie in charge.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 30, 2017

chiefdave said:
Its a big problem. There was a study done during the last general election that showed that for a large percentage of voters the party they were voting for wasn't the party closest aligned to their beliefs.

Having a press and media dominated by the right wing doesn't help. Noticed that the UK has fallen to 40th place in the press freedom rankings.

That's terrible

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 30, 2017

dutchman said:
The last Labour government slashed sickness benefits in 2008 and disqualified many people from claiming them altogether. There's no reason to believe a future Labour government would behave any different.

False news. Facts please

clint van damme · Apr 30, 2017

may is an absolute light weight, her performances this week have been embarrassing. In all likelihood she will lead us through Brexit, a scary thought.

chiefdave · Apr 30, 2017

clint van damme said:
may is an absolute light weight, her performances this week have been embarrassing. In all likelihood she will lead us through Brexit, a scary thought.

She was terrible on Marr this morning. Problem is how many people watch that?

Marr quoted Royal College of Nursing figures showing nurses have had a 14% pay cut since 2010 and they are using food banks in order to eat. Her answer was to basically say nurses needing to use food banks was nothing to do with the government.

clint van damme · Apr 30, 2017

chiefdave said:
She was terrible on Marr this morning. Problem is how many people watch that?

Marr quoted Royal College of Nursing figures showing nurses have had a 14% pay cut since 2010 and they are using food banks in order to eat. Her answer was to basically say nurses needing to use food banks was nothing to do with the government.

"there are many complex reasons why people use food banks"

no there's not, it's because they can't afford food.

"the way out of poverty is through work"

most of the people using food banks are from working families.
She's a fucking cow, in fact it's worse, she's a fucking useless cow.

chiefdave · Apr 30, 2017

clint van damme said:
"the way out of poverty is through work"

In work benefits are at a record high. The taxpayer is essentially subsidising employers who won't pay staff a living wage. Many of them while they make huge profits. The UK has suffered a bigger real terms fall in wages than any other developed country apart from Greece.

clint van damme · Apr 30, 2017

chiefdave said:
In work benefits are at a record high. The taxpayer is essentially subsidising employers who won't pay staff a living wage. Many of them while they make huge profits. The UK has suffered a bigger real terms fall in wages than any other developed country apart from Greece.

the tories have abandoned there centuries old mantra, give the people back just enough to keep them happy. Now it's take everything you can and fuck the hardship it causes.

Liquid Gold · Apr 30, 2017

clint van damme said:
the tories have abandoned there centuries old mantra, give the people back just enough to keep them happy. Now it's take everything you can and fuck the hardship it causes.

Radical right wing politics is now considered centrism

dutchman · Apr 30, 2017

Sky Blue Pete said:
False news. Facts please

I beg your pardon?

Labour abolished Incapacity Benefit at the end of October 2008 and replaced it with Employment Support Allowance which is paid at a lower rate. At the same time they also introduced the Work Capability Assessment which disqualified many people from claiming ESA even if they had an incurable illness and were terminal.

Employment and Support Allowance - Wikipedia

Try doing some research before calling me a liar.

clint van damme · Apr 30, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
Radical right wing politics is now considered centrism

and empathy is now considered a weakness to be sneered at.

Sick Boy · Apr 30, 2017

Mosy of the stuff that May comes out with are pure Orwellian.

Sick Boy · Apr 30, 2017

chiefdave said:
She was terrible on Marr this morning. Problem is how many people watch that?

Marr quoted Royal College of Nursing figures showing nurses have had a 14% pay cut since 2010 and they are using food banks in order to eat. Her answer was to basically say nurses needing to use food banks was nothing to do with the government.

She was absolutely shocking. She is absolutely vile and her support is a sad reflection on the state of the nation.

Liquid Gold · Apr 30, 2017

Sick Boy said:
She was absolutely shocking. She is absolutely vile and her support is a sad reflection on the state of the nation.

Can I come and live in your shed in Italy?

Philosoraptor · Apr 30, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
Can I come and live in your shed in Italy?

Its the reason I moved to Scotland for. I saw the writing on the walls a few years ago and decided to get the hell out. Now for take two on this Scottish Independence.

Philosoraptor · Apr 30, 2017

You just don't know how much England has moved right until you have left the place. I put the blame very firmly in the lap of New Labour, who sold out the soul of the party, and left so many disinfranchised with politics because they had no one to vote for.

Its why you have seen the rise of the SNP and UKIP. Looking for an alternative whatever that may bring.

SIR ERNIE · Apr 30, 2017

May is admittedly a poor leader but she and the Conservative party are undeniably the best on offer.

Labour are finished thanks to Blair and the SNP will run Scotland even further into the mire than they already are. As for independence, forget it. The Scots know that without the rest of the UK they're nothing and as an independent country they'd be poorer than Greece.

Philosoraptor · Apr 30, 2017

SIR ERNIE said:
May is admittedly a poor leader but she and the Conservative party are undeniably the best on offer.

Labour are finished thanks to Blair and the SNP will run Scotland even further into the mire than they already are. As for independence, forget it. The Scots know that without the rest of the UK they're nothing and as an independent country they'd be poorer than Greece.

Don't worry Ernie we will get those nukes pointing at strategic points in England. ompus:

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