It is alarming how many institutions have buckled in the face of this latest progressive onslaught, and it makes me wonder who's behind this huge agenda push.
George Floyd died on the 25th May, and less than 2 weeks later we have some woman in the centre of Cov reading a prepared speech rolling off a long list of examples of why Britain is a quasi-fascist country. Reminds me of the ANL back in the early 80s, which similarly appeared in a matter of weeks with prepared slogans, banners and even a group with anti-fascist songs. People should be wary of having their honourable intentions harnessed for the benefit of wider political agendas.
I thought Candace Owens puts her point across very well - ignore the left/right labels and just listen for the truth you will hear it from people across the political spectrum. She's certainly better than MLMcD.
He was a caricature; a parody of himself. It was comedy, and everyone loved it.
As i posted on Twitter a little while ago, i though all this PC nonsense was left behind in the late 80s when the loony left Labour councils in places like Liverpool and Leicester (where i lived at the time) insisted on renaming the Christmas tree as "a midwinter arboreal feature", and they wouldn't put Christmas lights up on Belgrave Road (vibrant, mainly Hindu area), in case these acts offended the Hindu (and other BAME) community, only to be told that "well, actually, we're not remotely offended, and rather like joining in with the culture of the country we chose to come to".
The lights now get put up before Diwali and stay up until after Christmas. It wasn't hard.
Can't we focus on doing the stuff that really helps?
Perhaps the people behind this progressive onslaught are the people who don't like us glorifying our history of owning slaves & who are a little tired of us refusing to acknowledge the deeply murky aspects of our past.
tbf, the main complaint about the Bristol statue is that it wasn't.The info is all there if you want it
There's never been any refusal to acknowledge anything. The info is all there if you want it - unlike a lot of countries I could mention.
The point is history is history - it should not be obliterated. You can't expect people who lived years ago to live by standards you now consider normal - they all did what they thought was right/best at the time. Slavery was a big thing right through history until 160 or so years ago, and still goes on now under various guises around the world - but, silence from BLM et al. because it would entail thought and effort.
Knocking down statues will change absolutely nothing for the people that were involved. Which version of history would you prefer?
Robert Clive was a vicious asset-stripper. His statue has no place on Whitehall | William Dalrymple
Having read this, I dont understand why the statue was ever erected and why it is still in situ
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first I’ve heard of her, but an interesting piece. Her whole premise is against turning a scumbag into a martyr.
It is alarming how many institutions have buckled in the face of this latest progressive onslaught, and it makes me wonder who's behind this huge agenda push.
George Floyd died on the 25th May, and less than 2 weeks later we have some woman in the centre of Cov reading a prepared speech rolling off a long list of examples of why Britain is a quasi-fascist country. Reminds me of the ANL back in the early 80s, which similarly appeared in a matter of weeks with prepared slogans, banners and even a group with anti-fascist songs. People should be wary of having their honourable intentions harnessed for the benefit of wider political agendas.
I thought Candace Owens puts her point across very well - ignore the left/right labels and just listen for the truth you will hear it from people across the political spectrum. She's certainly better than MLMcD.
tbf, the main complaint about the Bristol statue is that it wasn't.
Your jibes on his age do slightly undermine your points BSB.I did exist before lockdown old man
The ANL used to oppose the growing NF movement.
I suppose they were a principled mob who you were happy to see March, intimidate people and generally spread their poison?
To be honest, RoS, I don't know what would help. I don't know the answer to this question (and it is not intended to be antagonistic towards you), but do you suppose that every person of African heritage in the Caribbean and the Americas spends their time feeling bitter towards Edward Colston and his fellow slave-traders, or Great Britain in general, for their lot in life? I would genuinely like to know the answer, if anyone knows. And then what could be done to address that? "Shipping them back to where they came from" is a phrase adopted by racists and fascists across the world, so i'd be surprised if that is what they wanted.Like what? Don't just sit there banging on about "its PC gone mad"- what exactly is it that you think would help?
To be honest, RoS, I don't know what would help. I don't know the answer to this question (and it is not intended to be antagonistic towards you), but do you suppose that every person of African heritage in the Caribbean and the Americas spends their time feeling bitter towards Edward Colston and his fellow slave-traders, or Great Britain in general, for their lot in life? I would genuinely like to know the answer, if anyone knows. And then what could be done to address that? "Shipping them back to where they came from" is a phrase adopted by racists and fascists across the world, so i'd be surprised if that is what they wanted.
And can (or DO) the AA community in US blame GB or Colston from 200 years ago for being killed and having the life beaten out of them by a bunch of white supremacist thugs in the police there?
What's your thoughts? Am i over-simplifying it? HOW do we set the record straight in a way that THEY want (not a group of people who might be offended on their behalf - that is no better behaviour than ordering them about like they have been through history)?
Thanks - genuinely.
Your jibes on his age do slightly undermine your points BSB.
Especially when there are so many other things he can be called out on.
You're better than that.
Have to say I didn't read it like that.........It’s ‘old man’ views that I’m getting at more than his actual age. Three men of similar age, appearance and outdated political views.
You should listen to what she says, and then make your judgement, as she addresses all of that too.Scumbag?
Yes he'd had a criminal past but he had not been in trouble for a long time and it's doubtful that he even knew he was using an allegedly countrfeit note according to the owners of the store.
But people can fuck off when they refer to his past has there is nothing in it that counters the fact he was choked to death for almost 10 minutes.
Candace Owens is a crank and nothing she says is interesting and if you do think that then you are part of the problem.
Have to say I didn't read it like that.........
Anyway, I have used up my one and only "stick up for Grendel" card so I'll leave you both to it!
You should listen to what she says, and then make your judgement, as she addresses all of that too.
Her point is that the cop was very wrong and should be dealt with, but she will not hold a guy who has been jailed multiple times, including for threatening a pregnant mum with a gun as his mates robbed her property, as a martyr. You may agree or disagree with that, it’s your choice.
putting that view down without even hearing it based on your prejudices is ironic though.
I've listened to her and she was wrong.
So you can take your idiotic prejudices line and basically fuck right off. He is a Martyr as nothing in the definition of a political martyr says they have to have had a squeaky clean past.
You seem to me to be the prejudices one here and I'm really not surprised.
Also you seem to have an Alanis Morrissette level of understanding when it comes to irony.
You should listen to what she says, and then make your judgement, as she addresses all of that too.
Her point is that the cop was very wrong and should be dealt with, but she will not hold a guy who has been jailed multiple times, including for threatening a pregnant mum with a gun as his mates robbed her property, as a martyr. You may agree or disagree with that, it’s your choice.
putting that view down without even hearing it based on your prejudices is ironic though.
Owens has proven herself to be a complete moron many times in the past and this isn’t an exception. Propped up by rich right wingers as a female Herman Cain
We’ve heard it. It’s the standard contrarian grifter line. It doesn’t hold up. Should we hold Candace Owens to the anti trump pro SJW views she held more recently when that was making her money, or the attempts to dox right wingers?
The guy last offended in 2007 And Owens just says whatever will get her clicks. That’s all you need to know.
It’s ‘old man’ views that I’m getting at more than his actual age. Three men of similar age, appearance and outdated political views.
And she doesn't even believe what she says, it's a job to her.
She's a joke figure even among the US rght
As I said, this is the first ive heard of her, and I thought it was interesting, and worth discussion, because it’s not a view I’ve heard on this issue, but the diddyman assumed I agreed with everything she said and started labelling me because of that.We’ve heard it. It’s the standard contrarian grifter line. It doesn’t hold up. Should we hold Candace Owens to the anti trump pro SJW views she held more recently when that was making her money, or the attempts to dox right wingers?
The guy last offended in 2007 And Owens just says whatever will get her clicks. That’s all you need to know.
No it’s views that you do not agree with - you seem to think views do not change through time.
You only have to look at people born in the 50’s who were banning the bomb and campaigning for love and peace. Do you really think most have not become middle class capitalists
The best Current example is poor old JK Rowling - from a cool hip 50 something to an old out of touch bigot in one tweet.
Conversely of course old piers suddenly seems to be young and down with the kids
Of course views change through time-but you, Francois and Ferrari are of the same ilk and represent a similar way of thinking.
Of course views change through time-but you, Francois and Ferrari are of the same ilk and represent a similar way of thinking.
Yet another reference to gammon. Would someone please explain the relevance of a joint of pork meat?I don't have any hate for anyone G, just pointing out some awkward similarities. Admittedly Francois and Ferrari are much more famous gammons than yourself but still close enough.
Who do you think would be a better doppelganger?
I can not be bothered to spend all day arguing with someone who thinks a persons past is in any way relevant when talking about a man who has been murdered by a police officer
I agree with you but why now? What's changed? Its nothing to do with George floyd. We cant change the past and we shouldn't pander to a small minority.There's a fair bit to be proud of in Britain's history, however there is also a fair bit to be deeply ashamed of. Removing the bad bits & keeping the good- not too sure what the problem is really.
The colour of Gammon is similar to the colour elderly men of a certain political view go when they get angry.Yet another reference to gammon. Would someone please explain the relevance of a joint of pork meat?
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