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Put whichever way you like mate-yes they, Sisu or Ccfc or both, will be getting minimal income, if any at all at the minute unless things change, from me.
Put whichever way you like mate-yes they, Sisu or Ccfc or both, will be getting minimal income, if any at all at the minute unless things change, from me.I like how you put the (which is owned by SISU) to justify the stance of actively starving CCFC of income
At least you just say it straight up though!
He said they would cut outgoings to suit income, which is what people have been saying for a long while would happen.
I'm not saying we would own the Ricoh as Sisu obviously had no intention of paying any money for it. There was no benefit to CCFC in being dragged to Northampton. It was simply to distress ACL(confirmed by the judge in JR1). This allowed Wasps to make a bid for the stadium, a bid a distressed ACL accepted. Therefore no move to Northampton, no Wasps and a stadium that we could still aspire to owning one day.Can you provide evidence that if we hadn't moved to Northampton we would own the Ricoh? The information and evidence available suggests otherwise. CCC didn't want CCFC to own the stadium, sorry if that ruins the SISU are to blame for everything picture you're painting but it's true.
Put whichever way you like mate-yes they, Sisu or Ccfc or both, will be getting minimal income, if any at all at the minute unless things change, from me.
I'm not saying we would own the Ricoh as Sisu obviously had no intention of paying any money for it. There was no benefit to CCFC in being dragged to Northampton. It was simply to distress ACL(confirmed by the judge in JR1). This allowed Wasps to make a bid for the stadium, a bid a distressed ACL accepted. Therefore no move to Northampton, no Wasps and a stadium that we could still aspire to owning one day.
Where is the evidence that CCC did not want the club to own the stadium. Before Northampton the club still had the option to buy out Higgs, something Sisu chose not to do.
Which ever way you look at it Sisu are still involved with the club and can't simply be ignored. The fact that when you go into the stadium that was built for us, you are bombarded by Wasps paraphernalia, something that annoys and irritates me every time I go, is a reminder of what Sisu have done. As a fan, unfortunately, you can't just watch the team and forget or ignore what they have done and are doing to our club. Last year all of the media were aware of the way almost all of our fans view Sisu and want them out of our club. Just follow the team, no protests, everyone including the media, the football authorities and even Parliament (who were all forced to consider and comment on our plight last season) will assume everything is okay.
SISU are involved, but their involvement ends at owning the business, nothing more.
While I understand your sentiment about the Ricoh, it's a stadium that never has truly been our own, we never owned it to begin with and we certainly don't now, not that should in any way distance the efforts (or lack of) that SISU have made in trying to obtain the Ricoh, but the stadium that was built for us, was never ours and as sad as that is, it's the reality.
Protests now are futile, everyone want's SISU to sell, but they aren't budging. You could argue that protests last season contributed to relegation, but not even relegation has prompted SISU to sell the Club.
The Club is now at it's lowest eb and fans want something done to ensure the Club moves forward instead of backwards, but allow me to ask you this IrishSB;
If SISU didn't own the Club (say for a second I owned it) and ran the business on a model where it was self-sustainable and it's main source of revenues was ST sales, would you buy into it? A supporter's owned Club, which recognised that ST sales were vitally important to the Club's structure and progress, which also needed the highest attendance gate possible to strive and progress. This will be the same model that Gary Hoffman and his group have alluded to running the Club on and truthfully it's the same as it is now, but with SISU's name above the door. SISU are not investing any monies into the Club, the Club is self funded and while fans want success, there is an answer to achieving it and that is to back the Club (seperating SISU from the Club) week in and week out at the Ricoh, however fans think that by staying away is right and it's not going to help if we want to progress on the pitch - which is all why we love Foobtall.
SISU are involved, but their involvement ends at owning the business, nothing more.
While I understand your sentiment about the Ricoh, it's a stadium that never has truly been our own, we never owned it to begin with and we certainly don't now, not that should in any way distance the efforts (or lack of) that SISU have made in trying to obtain the Ricoh, but the stadium that was built for us, was never ours and as sad as that is, it's the reality.
Protests now are futile, everyone want's SISU to sell, but they aren't budging. You could argue that protests last season contributed to relegation, but not even relegation has prompted SISU to sell the Club.
The Club is now at it's lowest eb and fans want something done to ensure the Club moves forward instead of backwards, but allow me to ask you this IrishSB;
If SISU didn't own the Club (say for a second I owned it) and ran the business on a model where it was self-sustainable and it's main source of revenues was ST sales, would you buy into it? A supporter's owned Club, which recognised that ST sales were vitally important to the Club's structure and progress, which also needed the highest attendance gate possible to strive and progress. This will be the same model that Gary Hoffman and his group have alluded to running the Club on and truthfully it's the same as it is now, but with SISU's name above the door. SISU are not investing any monies into the Club, the Club is self funded and while fans want success, there is an answer to achieving it and that is to back the Club (seperating SISU from the Club) week in and week out at the Ricoh, however fans think that by staying away is right and it's not going to help if we want to progress on the pitch - which is all why we love Foobtall.
If success on the pitch meant that all of the issues that threaten the very existence of the club would be solved I would agree with you. The fact is that if we get promotion this season those issues are still likely to be there. As regards protests being futile I am sure Sisu would love it if everyone agreed. It might make all of the bad publicity that they have had to put up with, particularly last season, go away. The publicity in itself has not made any apparent impact on Sisu but the football authorities are certainly made more aware of their responsibilities and the fact that the government are taking more of an interest in the way the game is run. I therefore don't think a protest can ever be futile if it is justified and the towel should not be thrown in.
If you owned the club and demonstrated a genuine love and care for it in the way in which it was run I would very much buy into a break even policy, I think most fans would. Sisu, through their lack of transparency or willingness to genuinely communicate with the fans and through employing someone like Fisher who lies all of the time and through comments like Sepallas where she said she would liquidate the club if she didn't get what she wanted, show that they have no regard for Coventry City what so ever. You can have a break even policy where you gradually build the club ( presumably what you would do) or a break even policy based on cuts and letting the club fester which seems to be Sisu's version.
I'm not saying we would own the Ricoh as Sisu obviously had no intention of paying any money for it. There was no benefit to CCFC in being dragged to Northampton. It was simply to distress ACL(confirmed by the judge in JR1). This allowed Wasps to make a bid for the stadium, a bid a distressed ACL accepted. Therefore no move to Northampton, no Wasps and a stadium that we could still aspire to owning one day.
Where is the evidence that CCC did not want the club to own the stadium. Before Northampton the club still had the option to buy out Higgs, something Sisu chose not to do.
What exactly is wrong with the concept of the club's running costs being covered by fans? It was a model that worked in football for many number of years until the Sky era.
I doubt very much it was a plan to relegate the club twice. If you believe that you're even more deluded than I thought.
Didn't he mean he was a nothing player?didn't Mowbray say Hunt was literally playing for nothing? Not sure about the other two.
The finicial model they are running the business on fits the league they are now in and has done for a very long time. The pattern is on a downward spiral and one that they have overseen without any attempt to get this club turned round. Or would you say they are running a model that fits the championship?. The league and level we are in doesn't bother them, aslong as they don't have to invest in the club they will run as is. Now is this wrong to run the club within its means, NO. I never said it was, I said we are where we are because they have decided to leave the standard of the club up to the fans and if you think it's deluded to think that you best tell Tim to stop spouting the shit he does.
If you want to pat Sisu on the back for running a successful business, it's up to you but I have said it for along time. They run a business with a football club in tow that they don't like, want or understand how to run it but know they need it to keep the appeals and courts up. Im not sure Joy sits watching soccer saturday or is styck by a radio listening to Stu Linnel come a Saturday. Not 1 club in history has made progression without planning or investment and the only planning Sisu are doing now is to downsize and get away without having a structure that allows growth. But obviously you know better, are far more intelligent and are a lot less deluded then me.
Tell that to anyone under 50 they won't remember one.It took me ten seconds to work out what he meant
Agree, SISU wont buckle under the protests but the world is taking note which was what last years protests achieve (ironically the people attending games rather than the NOPM 'protest'). The concern is that if this type of protest continues we would lose sympathy (if we haven't already) from clubs and potential points which would be catastrophic this season.If success on the pitch meant that all of the issues that threaten the very existence of the club would be solved I would agree with you. The fact is that if we get promotion this season those issues are still likely to be there. As regards protests being futile I am sure Sisu would love it if everyone agreed. It might make all of the bad publicity that they have had to put up with, particularly last season, go away. The publicity in itself has not made any apparent impact on Sisu but the football authorities are certainly made more aware of their responsibilities and the fact that the government are taking more of an interest in the way the game is run. I therefore don't think a protest can ever be futile if it is justified and the towel should not be thrown in.
If you owned the club and demonstrated a genuine love and care for it in the way in which it was run I would very much buy into a break even policy, I think most fans would. Sisu, through their lack of transparency or willingness to genuinely communicate with the fans and through employing someone like Fisher who lies all of the time and through comments like Sepallas where she said she would liquidate the club if she didn't get what she wanted, show that they have no regard for Coventry City what so ever. You can have a break even policy where you gradually build the club ( presumably what you would do) or a break even policy based on cuts and letting the club fester which seems to be Sisu's version.
If success on the pitch meant that all of the issues that threaten the very existence of the club would be solved I would agree with you.
As regards protests being futile I am sure Sisu would love it if everyone agreed. It might make all of the bad publicity that they have had to put up with, particularly last season, go away. The publicity in itself has not made any apparent impact on Sisu but the football authorities are certainly made more aware of their responsibilities and the fact that the government are taking more of an interest in the way the game is run. I therefore don't think a protest can ever be futile if it is justified and the towel should not be thrown in.
If you owned the club and demonstrated a genuine love and care for it in the way in which it was run I would very much buy into a break even policy, I think most fans would. Sisu, through their lack of transparency or willingness to genuinely communicate with the fans and through employing someone like Fisher who lies all of the time and through comments like Sepallas where she said she would liquidate the club if she didn't get what she wanted, show that they have no regard for Coventry City what so ever. You can have a break even policy where you gradually build the club ( presumably what you would do) or a break even policy based on cuts and letting the club fester which seems to be Sisu's version.
Agree, SISU wont buckle under the protests but the world is taking note which was what last years protests achieve (ironically the people attending games rather than the NOPM 'protest'). The concern is that if this type of protest continues we would lose sympathy (if we haven't already) from clubs and potential points which would be catastrophic this season.
If we do well this season, I doubt we will see any protest from fans about our ownership also...
What was that?
but there is either a inherent problem or there isn't regardless of how we are performing surely? Has a slightly 'sing when your winning' mentality doesn't it??There is a lot of weariness about. Unless the team are doing very badly there will be very little protest, just a bit of SISU OUT chanting now and again.
If the team do not at least get to the play-offs the crowds will fall still further.
You are super intelligent and clear of mind so i'm not sure why you cant understand my opinion.
But just out of curiosity, do you think they look at the club as two different departments, if not, are they serious about progressing the football side to fit the potential of the club and city?
You could at least get half the story right. Wasps bought shares in ACL, they didn't buy anything off ACL.
They bought the council's share in ACL first, that's the same council share that was said to be sacrosanct whenever the theory of CCFC purchasing it was brought up. They then bought the Higgs Trust's share of ACL (that's the bit SISU failed to negotiate a deal for back in 2012).
Disagree about the communication part. The website has never been so well updated with manager, assistant and player interviews. Fisher who everyone wanted to shut up, has barely been heard of for months. Mark Robins ran a Q&A evening combined with the kit launch 1 month ago.Say from the offset stopped S T this season but will still be going IF the football warrants it. For more seasons than I can remember I have turned up put my hard earned money down for my S T shown my commitment and what have I got inferior product dissed up not once have they said sorry, or being as you showed loyalty we will deduct even a small amount ,the only time they talk to me is when they want my money for next season or offer me free meals because they notice I have not bought my S T not once have they asked why ? There are plenty in my position but there again why bother with wanting to know where the clubs problems lie, would not hurt just putting out a simple questionnaire after all Mr Fisher said there was going to be more communications but since he said that we have had less . No plan we can buy into we just drift like a rudderless ship and what happens to one of them sooner or later they hit the rocks
There lies the problem. You are rightly asking what's in it for me? Entertainment, success, end product that buys your commitment.Say from the offset stopped S T this season but will still be going IF the football warrants it. For more seasons than I can remember I have turned up put my hard earned money down for my S T shown my commitment and what have I got inferior product dissed up not once have they said sorry, or being as you showed loyalty we will deduct even a small amount ,the only time they talk to me is when they want my money for next season or offer me free meals because they notice I have not bought my S T not once have they asked why ? There are plenty in my position but there again why bother with wanting to know where the clubs problems lie, would not hurt just putting out a simple questionnaire after all Mr Fisher said there was going to be more communications but since he said that we have had less . No plan we can buy into we just drift like a rudderless ship and what happens to one of them sooner or later they hit the rocks
There lies the problem. You are rightly asking what's in it for me? Entertainment, success, end product that buys your commitment.
Normally I would be on your wavelength with regards to payback on your season ticket, however I am of the opinion we live in exceptional times and my club(not the owners) need me more than they have in all my 50 years of supporting the club.
For me I need to pay them back for the memories that have given me as a boy and man.
I urge you to think not of the money but that you are ensuring that the club survives for ourselves and those that follow in our footsteps
I understand that you have given up, I get it, your share in the past does not guarantee the future nor does your anger at the way club is run.I don't read the website I do read my emails offering free meals offers of prizes if I buy my S T by a certain time knowing full well that I have not bought it ,not once asking why not. As for the kit launch Q &A could not make it. They know where I am but they perhaps don't want to hear where myself and others in my position where we think thing might be just be going wrong ignore you custom and your custom ignores you(Tesco soon found that out) riyadskyblue read the start of my post I have and will be there as I have been for 60 + years but I want more than last season I can sit at home and get depressed and save myself money . I have put my share into project Skyblue.
I don't read the website I do read my emails offering free meals offers of prizes if I buy my S T by a certain time knowing full well that I have not bought it ,not once asking why not. As for the kit launch Q &A could not make it. They know where I am but they perhaps don't want to hear where myself and others in my position where we think thing might be just be going wrong ignore you custom and your custom ignores you(Tesco soon found that out) riyadskyblue read the start of my post I have and will be there as I have been for 60 + years but I want more than last season I can sit at home and get depressed and save myself money . I have put my share into project Skyblue.
What's funny?Yeah, CCFC. Funny though as you are quick to moan about budgets, the academy etc.
So what's your expectations then?I will reconsider after Christmas and new year. That is when our wheels always fall off and our momentum goes into a dive. Also when we have a habit of failing to strenghten the squad in January window for that last push.
The finicial model they are running the business on fits the league they are now in and has done for a very long time. The pattern is on a downward spiral and one that they have overseen without any attempt to get this club turned round. Or would you say they are running a model that fits the championship?. The league and level we are in doesn't bother them, aslong as they don't have to invest in the club they will run as is. Now is this wrong to run the club within its means, NO. I never said it was, I said we are where we are because they have decided to leave the standard of the club up to the fans and if you think it's deluded to think that you best tell Tim to stop spouting the shit he does.
If you want to pat Sisu on the back for running a successful business, it's up to you but I have said it for along time. They run a business with a football club in tow that they really don't like, want or understand how to run, what they do know is they need it to run to keep the appeals and courts cases up.
Not 1 club in history has made progression without planning or investment and the only planning Sisu are doing now is to downsize and get away without having a structure that allows growth. But obviously you know better, are far more intelligent and are a lot less deluded then me.
I will reconsider after Christmas and new year. That is when our wheels always fall off and our momentum goes into a dive. Also when we have a habit of failing to strenghten the squad in January window for that last push.
Yes it was me who made that remark. If you look back I said it was an off the cuff remark that was in bad taste and taken the wrong way. Of course I don't wish him any bad luck as it's his career/job although I don't rate him and he's been a passenger for too long. Talking of which-isn't he now injured again? So again we are carrying a passenger.He did say he will cut the budget to suit, that is why people are saying NOPM doesn't work, a total boycott doesn't work. For the very reason you have said. Relegations happen, it's football. For the whole time I have supported the club we have been in a relegation battle, before and during SISU. No ground when they arrived, do I have to keep pointing that out? An academy you hammer at every opportunity despite it's success. Shares that the Messiah Elliott had helped collect but he's absolved of blame for some bizarre reason. Didn't Elliott also want to close the academy? Would that not be worse than an academy at a school? Why is it bad to have an academy at a school. Surely the school would benefit from the facilities too, could it not be argued it would integrate the club into the community more?
Oh and one more thing, were you not the person who made a crude remark about Haynes and his injury? Then you have a go at TF and his attitude because he said the club has to fund itself? I think you should look at your own attitude if it was you that made the remark.
Apologies if it wasn't you.
The ignoring part is not offers and the rest it's what is the reason why you no longer want(like many more) don't want a S T,riyadskyblue I have not given up check earlier postsThey aren't ignoring you if they are constantly sending you emails with offers and incentives are they?
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