Do you have anything sensible to say?Ha, Thorn 'promised the same transfer budget as last year' - City had a summer of free transfers in 2010. He knew what he was getting into.
Do you have anything sensible to say?
We were told Thorn would have the same transfer budget as Boothroyd. Fact- has he had that same budget? No. FactI know the difference between a transfer budget and wages for starters...
Yes, Keogh and Juke were signed, but you'd be nuts to think that it was anything more than a nominal fee for Keogh (from Carlisle) and a small downpayment for Juke. This, incidentally, came after a year in which Simpson, Best, Dann, and Fox had all been sold.
As for your questionable use of wage guesstimates, City had Hall, Wright, Ward, Morrison and, infamously, Doyle all come off the books; I'd be surprised if that didn't pretty much even out the incoming wages of King and co.
That SISU are tight? Sure. Is it the wrong strategy? I think so. But please don't imply that Thorn was promised some kind of warchest when SISU had shown a track record of thrift and downsizing for two full years. Everybody knew what SISU's transfer budget was.
Ok Mustard-has he had either the same wage budget or transfer kitty?
No, he's had much much less on both scores. Season tickets were sold under this lie/promise too, remember.
I know the difference between a transfer budget and wages for starters...
Yes, Keogh and Juke were signed, but you'd be nuts to think that it was anything more than a nominal fee for Keogh (from Carlisle) and a small downpayment for Juke. This, incidentally, came after a year in which Simpson, Best, Dann, and Fox had all been sold.
As for your questionable use of wage guesstimates, City had Hall, Wright, Ward, Morrison and, infamously, Doyle all come off the books; I'd be surprised if that didn't pretty much even out the incoming wages of King and co.
That SISU are tight? Sure. Is it the wrong strategy? I think so. But please don't imply that Thorn was promised some kind of warchest when SISU had shown a track record of thrift and downsizing for two full years. Everybody knew what SISU's transfer budget was.
We were told Thorn would have the same transfer budget as Boothroyd. Fact- has he had that same budget? No. Fact
We offered new contracts to King, Westwood and Gunnar- Fact. Have all these wages been used else where? No- Fact
Thorn did know he would be working on a tight budget nobody told him he would be working on next to no budget.
I am not saying Thorn was promised a warchest but he was promised more than what he has been given. Fact
Don't pretend Thorn hasn't been shafted by the board and SISU.
It's ok to be wrong sometimes mateYou can twist it as much as you like but Thorn WAS promised the same budget and it hasn't been delivered - not even close.
Scramble all you like fella, the facts are clear. AT had the wool pulled over his eyes as much as us fans, any one with their eyes open can see that. Running around with fingers in ears shouting "I can't hear you, SISU are good, I can't hear you, SISU are good"..won't change the facts.
Ok Mustard-has he had either the same wage budget or transfer kitty? No, he's had much much less on both scores. Season tickets were sold under this lie/promise too, remember.
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1. Not 'facts' at all, but suppositions. Unless you have access to the boardroom and their Powerpoint slides.
2. The budget is likely determined by player sales, eg if Thorn can sell a player then he gets X% back to spend. That would be keeping the consistency of the transfer budget, and also reflects the actions of the past two years.
So you're complaining about AT not having the same wages to play with, yet then readily admit that he was given the wages to offer big contracts to Marlon King, Aron Gunnarsson, and Kieren Westwood. Don't you think that's a contradiction?
You're just creating a story instead of looking at the 'facts'. If, say, Thorn was told that transfer funds were dependent on player sales, then he would have known exactly what he was working with. I don't understand why you'd think SISU would have to lie about the available funds to a cheap, rookie manager who must be eager for his first job. It's not like they were trying to tempt Fergie away from Utd.
Not a fact.
That's just it - I don't know. Nor do you. Maybe, just maybe, he was promised more money to spend than he was given. But all things considered, I'd be very surprised if a) Thorn was promised any money without player sales first, and b) as somebody who scouted for the club and saw what the SISU transfer policy was like, Thorn expected anything more.
Yea I guess when Paul Clouting said " Andy will have the same budget as last year." I guess that does not mean it is fact that Thorn was told he would have same the budget and actually means you are not getting a penny.
I acknowledge that contracts were offered to King, Westy and Gunnar but now these wages seems to have vanished off the earth and certainly don't seem as if they are available now.
Who is speculating and making stories now? where has a member of the board stated this. You are just plucking random excuses out of the sky now.
Clouting may have promised Thorn the same budget as last year but Clouting may have had to admit to Thorn - sorry, the rules have changed, your budget is reduced.
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I think this is most likely what happened, what I was arguing is that Thorn when he first became manager was under the impression that he would be getting the same budget as Boothroyd.
But it is a fact Andy Thorn was told he would have the same budget as Boothroyd. It is also a fact that he obviously hasn't had the same budgets. What don't you understand about that.
It is a fact there were wages available to sign Westwood, Gunnarson and King. It is also a fact that those wages are not available now.
What about when Brody told us there would be money made available for a "franchise" signing to replace King. Thorn was promised at least some budget but he has had none up to date.
I see it that Thorn is in a no lose situation, if he gets relegated he can say that it was lack of backing, everyone being sold and having to throw in a bunch of kids, If he keeps us up, it will be seen as a miracle and he will be given the tag as one of the "next great managers".
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