Gustavo Hamer (9 Viewers)

Skybluefaz · Dec 17, 2020

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

charges
jumps at
kicks or attempts to kick
pushes
strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
tackles or challenges
trips or attempts to trip

If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed
Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:

a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
holds an opponent
impedes an opponent with contact
bites or spits at someone
throws an object at the ball, opponent or match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object

Skybluefaz · Dec 17, 2020

Still not sure how Hamer was penalised when their player was making the challenge in a careless manner.

Johhny Blue · Dec 17, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
Still not sure how Hamer was penalised when their player was making the challenge in a careless manner.

He wasn’t

Skybluefaz · Dec 17, 2020

Johhny Blue said:
He wasn’t

Who wasn't what?

Johhny Blue · Dec 17, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
Who wasn't what?

Read the post again (slowly) and get back to us

Skybluefaz · Dec 17, 2020

Johhny Blue said:
Read the post again (slowly) and get back to us

Sorry, your outstanding wit often gets the better of me.

Cov kid 55 · Dec 17, 2020

steve cooper said:
See the link in my post , open the essential information for players, it's official FA info

That’s interesting info Steve, thank you. Says an automatic one match ban.

Frostie · Dec 17, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
Still not sure how Hamer was penalised when their player was making the challenge in a careless manner.

Eh? Their player tackled the ball, Hamer was careless by kicking him (accidentally of course).

Skybluefaz · Dec 17, 2020

Frostie said:
Eh? Their player tackled the ball, Hamer was careless by kicking him (accidentally of course).

Didn’t see there guy get the ball, apologies if I'm wrong

clint van damme · Dec 17, 2020

PVA said:
I don't think anyone has said that (as far as I have seen anyway).

But a few, myself included, were saying he isn't worth £15m which some people were saying he is.

someone was, I won't name them. If he stays true to form for this board he'll double down on his claim in the coming weeks!

higgs · Dec 17, 2020

I don't think it was intentional his eyes were only of the ball a harsh yellow

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AFCCOVENTRY · Dec 18, 2020

Apparently only a 1 game ban now... great news

fatso · Dec 18, 2020

AFCCOVENTRY said:
Apparently only a 1 game ban now... great news

Just a pity Kelly will be out at the same time.
Leaves us a bit light in the middle of the park.
Maybe Giles will take the opportunity to step up.

mark82 · Dec 18, 2020

Boosh said:
How long can we keep Hamer?

Lots of people on Twitter reckoning he could well be off in January. I doubt that. If he leaves, it will be next summer.

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

Have a look at that thread. Mental figures. Anyone who disagrees apparently doesn’t rate him. He’s done well so far, does some brilliant things and some stupid things.

Yeah, didn't read that as anyone saying that's what he was worth now, more potential valuation further down the line.

Frostie · Dec 18, 2020

AFCCOVENTRY said:
Apparently only a 1 game ban now... great news

It's always only been 1 game.

MR was confusing 2 different rules & neither the Telegraph or CWR have the desire or integrity to actually check for themselves.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 18, 2020

Frostie said:
It's always only been 1 game.

MR was confusing 2 different rules & neither the Telegraph or CWR have the desire or integrity to actually check for themselves.

Does poor a bit of cold water for those that talk about MR knowing better than members of an online forum.

Frostie · Dec 30, 2020

Anyone want to guess the 2 players from their season stats?

shmmeee · Dec 30, 2020

Frostie said:
Anyone want to guess the 2 players from their season stats?

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Sheaf - Hamer ?

Liquid Gold · Dec 30, 2020

Frostie said:
Anyone want to guess the 2 players from their season stats?

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Baker - McSheffrey

Frostie · Dec 30, 2020

shmmeee said:
Sheaf - Hamer ?

Correct.

According to some the guy on the left isn't good enough to play for us whilst the one on the right is a £15m Premier League player.

señor Santiago · Dec 30, 2020

Frostie said:
Correct.

According to some the guy on the left isn't good enough to play for us whilst the one on the right is a £15m Premier League player.

Where is goals scored/points won and direct causation of goal conceded stats?

Terry Gibson's perm · Dec 30, 2020

Frostie said:
Anyone want to guess the 2 players from their season stats?

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Stats don’t show where you make the passes and the risk involved Hamer tends to pass forwards and take risks and Sheaf looks to retain the ball by passing it to the centre backs.

Frostie · Dec 30, 2020

señor Santiago said:
Where is goals scored/points won and direct causation of goal conceded stats?

Intangibles like that can't be tracked by stats as you well know.
Same as there isn't one that can track what effect needlessly getting banned for 4 games has on a team.

In terms of direct causation of goals conceded Sheaf has tonight & if you're really harsh the Wycombe penalty?
Hamer has at least 1 vs Bournemouth.

Frostie · Dec 30, 2020

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Stats don’t show where you make the passes and the risk involved Hamer tends to pass forwards and take risks and Sheaf looks to retain the ball by passing it to the centre backs.

Another myth.

Total Passes:
Sheaf 834
Hamer 819

Backwards Passes:
Sheaf 152 (18% of total passes)
Hamer 126 (15% of total passes)

Passing Accuracy opp. Half:
Sheaf 79%
Hamer 63%

Terry Gibson's perm · Dec 30, 2020

Frostie said:
Another myth.

Total Passes:
Sheaf 834
Hamer 819

Backwards Passes:
Sheaf 152 (18% of total passes)
Hamer 126 (15% of total passes)

Passing Accuracy opp. Half:
Sheaf 79%
Hamer 63%

Not really a myth backs up what I say Sheaf makes more passes backwards and Hamer takes more risks so his accuracy is less.

Londonccfcfan · Dec 30, 2020

Frostie said:
Correct.

According to some the guy on the left isn't good enough to play for us whilst the one on the right is a £15m Premier League player.

Lol.
When 50% of your passes are backwards or sideways to keeper or other defenders and are 10 yard passes I'm not surprised.

SBT · Dec 30, 2020

Where are those stats from? I want to see Sheaf vs Kelly.

Frostie · Dec 30, 2020

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Not really a myth backs up what I say Sheaf makes more passes backwards and Hamer takes more risks so his accuracy is less.

You said he "looks to" pass to the CBs as in that's his aim. It's simply not true. He passes backwards 18% of the time & forward 30% of the time.

Hamer passes backwards only very marginally less.

Frostie · Dec 30, 2020

Londonccfcfan said:
Lol.
When 50% of your passes are backwards or sideways to keeper or other defenders and are 10 yard passes I'm not surprised.

Perhaps read the other posts.

Liquid Gold · Dec 30, 2020

SBT said:
Where are those stats from? I want to see Sheaf vs Kelly.

I think sheaf is ahead in most if not all of them. The thing Kelly offers is leadership and composure that don’t show in the stats though. I still think we’re going to have a hell of a player in Sheaf when he gets adjusted to the level. He’s a year younger than Jordan Shipley.

lordy_87 · Dec 30, 2020

Frostie said:
Anyone want to guess the 2 players from their season stats?

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Another case of stats not telling the whole story

Liquid Gold · Dec 30, 2020

lordy_87 said:
Another case of stats not telling the whole story

But we’re a club that rely heavily on stats in a lot of areas and that has helped us return to the championship. Sheaf completely has to cut the mistakes out of his game, you’ll get no argument from me on that but I am fully confident he will. Liam Walsh made a lot of similar errors in league 1 for us and this fan base treats him as Xavi reborn. I also think you need to look at the rest of his game, last night everything good went through him and we completely lost our shape when he went off.

Frostie · Dec 30, 2020

SBT said:
Where are those stats from? I want to see Sheaf vs Kelly.

Sheaf on the left, Kelly on the right

Comparison is more difficult as they've played a big difference in minutes whereas with Sheaf/Hamer they're almost identical.

Kelly passes forward approx. 3 times more per match.

Frostie · Dec 30, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
But we’re a club that rely heavily on stats in a lot of areas and that has helped us return to the championship. Sheaf completely has to cut the mistakes out of his game, you’ll get no argument from me on that but I am fully confident he will. Liam Walsh made a lot of similar errors in league 1 for us and this fan base treats him as Xavi reborn. I also think you need to look at the rest of his game, last night everything good went through him and we completely lost our shape when he went off.

Liquid Gold · Dec 30, 2020

Frostie said:
Sheaf on the left, Kelly on the right

Comparison is more difficult as they've played a big difference in minutes whereas with Sheaf/Hamer they're almost identical.

Kelly passes forward approx. 3 times more per match.

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Sheaf should be better in the air given his night, that is one part of his game there is obvious improvement IMO.

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